Baron 58P

GaryP1007

GaryP1007

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I suddenly have the opportunity to buy a Baron 58P which will fit my mission profile nicely. I have about 1600 hours in complex high performance airplanes but no multi time.

Any owners of the 58P that can talk about their experiences with this plane would be great.


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Have you gotten an insurance quote yet? I'm not a 58P owner, but I'm a recent (~1yr) Duke owner. I had about 700 hours of mutli before I bought my Duke, so insurance wasn't too bad. But I know a few people who struggled to get insurance in a normal 58 Baron due to lack of multi time.

Checkout Beechtalk. Bunch of P-Baron owners there, along with a few legit 58P "gurus." While they're capable airplane, nobody is ever going to tell you they're not maintenance intensive. My Duke is the same way. There are simply a LOT of systems that all have to work together just right. If you're not an owner-assisted maintenance guy, just make sure you have a good understanding of what annual inspections are going to run, and what parts on the 58P are unobtanium.

I will say, once you go pressurized, it's damn hard to go back.
 
As Anthem mentioned, I’d strongly recommend getting your initial multi rating in something other than your P Baron (assuming you end up owning!). A school with a Baron would of course be better than some other twin, but the main reason being, engine-out training can be kind of hard on turbo engines. Sure, it can be done, but better with somebody else’s NA ‘trainer’.
 
Jim Carpenter said:
As Anthem mentioned, I’d strongly recommend getting your initial multi rating in something other than your P Baron (assuming you end up owning!). A school with a Baron would of course be better than some other twin, but the main reason being, engine-out training can be kind of hard on turbo engines. Sure, it can be done, but better with somebody else’s NA ‘trainer’.
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Based on my recent-ish experience in the insurance market, I'd guess he's totally uninsurable without getting the multi-engine rating first. As in, I suspect he won't even get quotes back.
 
bradg33 said:
Based on my recent-ish experience in the insurance market, I'd guess he's totally uninsurable without getting the multi-engine rating first. As in, I suspect he won't even get quotes back.
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I hope you're wrong. .
Appreciate everyone's two cents.


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My experience was with a 310, so not a pressurized plane but otherwise similar. And it was 3 years ago. But my insurance agent went to bat for me and even reached out to companies she was confident would never give me a quote. It ended up being one of those unlikely places that gave the best quote for me to go from my first multi-engine hour to my rating in the 310. Make them tell you no.
 
Anthem said:
But having “pressurized” time is another category for them. It’s like “retractable” time. Not an official category, but for insurance it is. So having pressurized time in a single makes it easier to get insurance in a multi or turboprop if it’s pressurized
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I’ve heard the same for turbine time. Spend a few years flying turboprop spray planes and you’ll be more insurable in a King Air. The same kind of insanity as giving me insurance in a B-17 because I have a bunch of J-3 Cub time.
 
I got 3 quotes and they were all around $10.5 with 10 hours of instructor time.


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