Banning drivers who don't live in your city?

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    If you've lived in/near, or even heard of Leonia before, play on.

    Otherwise... join me in letting them work out their dispute on their own.
     
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    Ridiculing them for a terrible way of dealing with the problem is just as legitimate.
     
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    Last time I checked, “Where are you going?” was not a question anyone has to answer when asked by Law Enforcement.
     
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    This is in New Jersy..??

    Who the heck cares.??
     
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    Town roads and main arterial bypass routes are built and maintained, and often funded quite differently from one another. Just consider the other angle, that’s all I’m saying. Discouraging is a better term than banning. ;)
     
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    They should just build a wall. :rolleyes:
     
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    The great wall of china was successful.

    You see any Mexicans in China..???
     
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    Freakin' culturally deprived Millennials...

    2:48 if you don't have the attention span to see the answer.

     
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    Now ya know how I feel when I'm trying to explain something to all the kids here. :rofl:
     
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    Nice try. Chief Obanhein died in 1994 and worked in Massachusetts. Good job on the Google, but poor job on the application of your search. If it’s on the web it must be right. ;) Nice alternativefactspin, though, Donny.
     
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    Yeah, you’re the guy who remembers the internet before Amazon. A real live pioneer. :D
     
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    Hey now, I have brothers that live there!

    ....of course I don't, and never will.
     
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    Discouraging I'd be fine with. Put some tolls on that main road everyone drives down in their town, and it may have been the more pragmatic solution. Kind of apples and oranges, but these folks in England saw a business opportunity and took it

     
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    Who paid for it? ;)

    Maybe it was built as a tourist attraction right from the get go? :D
     
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    I havent seen it mentioned here but it's my understanding that:

    1. They are "closing" the roads during certain times of the day..."rush hours" (which are actually about 4 hours long)
    2. Waze says they will respect this and not show those roads as alternate routes during "closed hours."
    3. Google hasn't commented yet on whether or not they will still recommend the roads as alternatives.

    They're not literally closing the roads, just "faking out" the traffic apps to avoid complete gridlock on their city streets caused by people who who should be on the freakin' freeways.

    I personally don't see the issue and think it's a smart move.
     
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    Similarly, because of google, I've found a route from Ste. Genevieve, MO to Springfield, MO that's 15 minutes faster than any other "previously known normal" route available.

    This route includes about 10 miles on Jones Creek Rd in Jefferson County. A rural, squirrelly, narrow, highly developed, residential country road that was definitely not designed to carry thru traffic. I can't imagine how pizzed off the folks who live on this road are at all the addl traffic it's carrying these days.

    I certainly would be.
     
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    They need to use the Breezewood PA business model.

    I am reminded of the company u-tube that tried to sue youtube and get them to change their name because all of the people looking for videos were overloading u tube's web server. They were sitting on an effing gold mine and were trying to shut it down.
     
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    Tim,

    Did you just use one post to say you agree with why they're doing what they're doing, and then the next to say you do exactly that thing? o_O

    I mean I like it... I'm just making sure I'm not misunderstanding.
     
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    Not quite!!

    I said "I've found a route". This; because it's the way Google recommends as the quickest.

    I didn't say "I take a route."

    I'll plead the fifth! ;)
     
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    They are effectively closing them if you don't live there. You need a sticker for your license plate and face a $200 fine if you pass through their town and get caught. Short of physically barricading it I don't know of any other way to close it

    This isn't a quaint little rural town either, it's the result of what, presumably, was some kind of NIMBY zoning that forces I-95 to make this big loop around it. At one point there was talks of putting a freeway in to ease traffic, but again people freaked out so now they're stuck with the traffic

    PS, instead of closing it and giving stickers to residents, why not issue "commuter stickers" for a monthly fee.. the public road stays open and the town makes extra revenue, while collectively easing the overall traffic load
     
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    My opinion is that if money outside of town money goes into any type of road maintenance, then this is unjust.

    That said, I don't have business there, and doubt I ever will... So I'll sleep tonight, regardless.
     
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    I think while they are at it they should shut down the ramps to get onto I-95 from the town too. It's only fair, why should the townsfolk enjoy the benefits of the interstate?
     
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    Problem solved!
     
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    BTW...with that said, there's a difference between me using the route and me bitching if the county decides to shut it down to thru traffic. I would completely understand if they did.
     
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    What's funnier though is that we're likely rapidly approaching WWIII and people are worried about what a town in NJ does with their CITY roads.

    <yawn>

    (Of course, we likely can't discuss WWIII here)
     
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    Furthermore, the towns surrounding this little bit o' paradise should close off the streets entering their towns as well. Win win!

    Edit: And really if gas and other road taxes/funding were actually used for roads instead of diverted to pork the freeway system might even have the needed capacity. Nah, that's dreamin'.
     
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    By Odin I wish they would do that here. We get overrun by tourists and others who don't know where they're going and probably couldn't drive for merde even if they did.
     
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    Tourists? Ohio? GTFO......
     
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    You do not understand.
     
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    The only things I think I'd ever have an interest in are Kelly's and the Bass islands, otherwise I don't really foresee a vacation to Ohio.
     
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    In general, residents, whether they live in a small town, a suburb, or a city, are not fond of an increase in traffic, even it brings in business.
     
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    :)

    I guess I'm the "anti-Frank" then. I've said for 40 years (quite seriously) that if they start tossing nukes, I hope the first one hits me right on top of the head.
     
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    Ohio is great state, I've built projects all over it and have thoroughly enjoyed almost all of it. For the most part people take care of their chit in Ohio, you don't see trash strewn all over the countryside like you do in so many places. Pennsylvania people take care of their chit too.
     
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    Sounds like there may be an excellent black market opportunity for selling stickers. Haha.

    We’ve been at war for decades. That we pretend we’re not and never declared any of them, is just political semantics. We blow up people regularly.

    And yet the culture is to congratulate other humans on their breeding prowess. LOL. Yay. You created a new human to clog up the roads in 16 years!

    Heh. Or... city planners are just incredibly poor at laying out roads to match said breeding and human’s tendencies toward gathering around resources. Why not? They’ll just turn lanes into toll lanes and make more money when the traffic grows. No built in motivation to do it right, at all.
     
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    After looking at that map, I think I would cut through there too rather than taking 95 the long way around.
    But if they put a bunch of traffic lights, all timed as badly as the ones around here, I might think again.