ATC flow control - is this a joke?

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  1. RyanB

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    I don’t see any thunderstorms within about 350nm. What gives?

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    maybe no one can leave their gate d/t wx enroute and there is no room?
     
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    I could see arrival delays if that was the case, but can’t see why there would be departure delays due to thunderstorms. That system is at-least 350nm away.
     
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    ja_user Pattern Altitude

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    maybe they are heading west or North, have you looked at the radar?

    Or else, someone doesn't want you to leave KLIT as you would like to.
     
  5. Blatham489

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    Sorry, I guess I’m just a dirty old man but they really need to fix the identifier on that airport. That it’s named after Hillary to boot is just too much.

    Back to our regularly scheduled program.
     
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    Yes.

    At the time, the majority of the system was confined around Wichita Falls. Going west (or north for that matter) didn’t look like a problem at all.
     
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    Maybe Houston is trying to act like the east coast...if there’s a lone thunderstorm at the proscribed departure gate, they shut departures down that direction.
     
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    How much time have you spent at an ARTCC ? There is some reason for this, including possibly that the webpage has an update problem. If you had even limited understanding of how the system works you would not be So quick to pop off.
     
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    He was asking a question. Can you answer it?
     
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    Weather doesn’t have to be immediately over the field to create delays
     
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    Nope, but having spent a few hours hanging around an ARTCC and seeing the sophistication of the flow control functions and the interface to the Air Traffic Control System Command Center (ATCSCC), my conclusion is that just because what the OP sees seems illogical, that is probably not the case.

    Perhaps one of the controllers here can comment.
     
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    They don't want to classify it as something that is their fault, so it's due to thunderstorms.
     
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    It’s kinda like the butterfly effect. Them Tstorms by Wichita Falls are near some pretty busy lanes of traffic. When that traffic starts dodging those storms it disrupts things farther away. When a plane has to go around a storm, a plane off to the side may have to move to make room for that plane and then off to the side off that plane another may have to move to make way for that plane, etc. Plug a hundred planes into the equation and it starts getting squirrelly. If there wasn’t such a well oiled machine in place to begin with that gets a lot of planes in the air to begin with that keeps traffic moving very efficiently, then disruptions to that flow wouldn’t have as big an effect.
    Houston is down yonder there on the Southern edge of the U. S. A huge majority of it’s traffic is going to be departing into pieces of sky that could be affected by Tstorms by Witcha Falls. I think it’s likely that a Houston to Miami flight might have gotten on their merry way without the whole 31-45 minute delay advertised in that notification.
     
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    Rather have ATC ,who is watching the big picture,keep everyone on the safe side. No use going if there isn’t a gate available at the destination. Rather sit in a terminal as opposed to the tarmac.