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Discussion in 'Avionics and Upgrades' started by weirdjim, Aug 13, 2019.
As I've indicated off-line, I'm in for one.
As an aside, what's your risk if you don't sell all of 'em by the end of December?
Let's say three of 'em are still in inventory on January 1. What evil things happen?
I can pass along the info to people at our airport but I have a few questions:
Is the $2200 for the Stratus ESG (WAAS source built in)?
What is free ADSB in...do they get a portable module that plugs in to use the units power and antennae?
What are typical install hours?
Does it work with Foreflight?
Fwiw, I bought an ESG from Jim. His price is for real, he includes very helpful, personally-prepared full documentation, and antenna cable and terminations. No issues getting the ESG installed, signed off, inspected, validated, and rebated; everything was exactly as described on Jim's website and in other threads. Love having a new transponder that, with the rebate, ended up being less expensive than a SkyBeacon even after (owner-assisted) installation.
The evil thing that happens is that I come up with $ix grand that I don't have to pay for the three of them and then hope like hell I can peddle them in a couple of months before the bank comes and repossesses the dogs and cats.
Yes, as well as a few other of the EFB programs. It is bluetooth into your pad device.
I know you were asking for no comments Jim, but I have to post my experience with this setup.
To cut to the chase I bought the entire setup you describe plus the AHRS sensor from a friend that went Garmin. It included the WAAS antenna also. I put it in my Cessna 140 with a custom IFR panel of the early 80’s that I fly VFR, but is certified IFR and can fly ILS approaches with. I couldn’t be more pleased with it. I have weather and traffic on the iPad as well as AHRS through synthetic vision. I have button sqwauk entry on the transponder. If push came to shove in an emergency I could fly an approach with it.
I had it installed, by a local avionics shop who does great work, but if I would have had the time I am quite confident that I could have installed it with a little coaching from Jim if I had bought it from him.
Unless you will need to feed TIS-B/FIS-B to a navigator instead of, or in addition to an iPad, this is a great setup for the money. Very little more outlay of cash than the little thing you screw on the wing and rely on an old transponder, but with many more features gained from it.
Forgive my nit-picking, but doesn't that just mean the "free ADS-B In" costs $100?
I also had one installed and am pleased with it. Powers the little wifi antenna thingie and I get it in and out. Wasn't hanging anything draggy off my airframe, either.
No, i means that I'm going to cut your ESG box open, take out the 3i, and sell that $500 box on Ebay for $100 to keep myself whole.
No good deed goes unpunished.
Thanks for the answers. I will share this with a few people at the airport that are not compliant yet. Not sure I'll get anyone but can give it a shot. If you don't hear back by next week they are either too fickle or hooked on the overall skybeacon costs. The funny thing is that one the guys last night that is thinking skybeacon saw me on this ADSB in for my entire flight (about 60 miles). The 1090ES output power must be pretty good. Not sure if the skybeacon will be picked up directly at that range, not that it has too but it seems that if you are in the crowd that wants to be seen the ESG or L-3 or GTX335/345 really crank out the power..
It's sounds like good deal, i'm in for one ADSB Out and a ADSB In. Just let me know when.
I didn't go for the ESGi/3i package when I bought my ESG from Jim because I already had a Stratux I had built and this package deal was not available at the time. The last two Stratuxes (Strati? Stratum?) I built w/ integrated GPS and AHRS and battery pack for friends cost $167 for all of the required parts. $2200 for an ESG and a 3i is an absolute steal. Heck, the price Jim sold the ESG by itself to me was close to that, and THAT was a great deal. Wish this package had been available... an extra $100 for the convenience of not having to suction cup my Stratux to a window, hook up a battery, make sure I have an extra charged battery blah blah, would have been MORE than worth it.
Yes the Appareo and attached Stratus are painless to keep going. Just turn on the Master and check ForeFlight devices. You can’t forget and leave a sqwauk in. It powers to 1200 and when you get a sqwauk you just punch the four numeral keys. Can’t say enough about it.
Great pricing, Jim ! I will try to help you sell a few.
Is this a deal that’s available now or do you need commitment before you can sell any of them?
I just needed a sense of the group. I think there is still enough interest for me to gamble $40K that I will find enough takers for the 20 I'm committed to.
I can get the first batch by the first week in September and then it is going to be five a month (or more) until the first of the year.
Personal check by USPO mail only. PayPal wants 3% of the action and that is $60 on a $2K buy.
Aw shoot. I just bought & installed a steal of a deal from Oshkosh for the ESGi I/O with a new encoder & USB power ports "FREE" plus harness for $3100. I'd say it took 2 inexperienced installers 15 man hrs to install. This is a MUCH better deal if you don't want/need the other stuff. Heck I could have had ADSB-out for $1700 after the rebate. This really is the best deal on the planet for this application.
Will get the word out...
Okay Jim, I didn’t mean to put you on the spot.
When my friend sold me his takeout Stratus ESG setup, it included the antenna, the Xponder, Stratus and a little black box roughly the size and shape of a computer mouse. We mounted it under a glove box in the bottom right of the panel and it connected into the ESG and bluetooths it’s information to the pad along with ADS-B IN. It drives the Synthetic Vision panel in Foreflight. The SV function in addition to its view of obstacles and airports as you would see them through the windscreen, but it also has an AHRS panel that looks much like the display on a G5.
I fouled up the attachment, but this gives you an idea what the sensor provides. Push comes to shove, you can fly with it.
That is the ADS-B in..Its just like stratus1,2,2S,3 but it is obviously not a stand alone unit like a stratus and gets mounted behind the panel.
Edit: Wait you said it came with a stratus too...hmm then IDK. sorry haha
Is this what you are talking about or something different?
Okay! I did a little looking and I think it might be the stratus itself that is mounted under the glove box and serves as the attitude sensor. The list of stratus features shows attitude input. The other information on the synthetic vision screen is derived from GPS information.
I will try to remember to look closer when I’m at the hangar tomorrow.
I am pretty sure the Stratus ADS-B receiver includes the AHRS chip..Attitude Heading Reference System. That is what I see in Doc’s screen shots.
The Stratus ESG is the transponder and GPS in a package about the size and length of a small loaf of bread -- kind of like a plain old transponder on steroids. Mounts in a standard 6.5" radio stack with 4 screws into the ESG rack.
The 3i is the little mouse sized add-on that both Bluetooths and WiFis all the rest of the information you see in the images above. I mounted my 3i to the ESG rack as well as the altitude encoder so I could do all the interface wiring in the comfort of my swamp-cooler air in the lab and then four screws, two wires, and the antenna cables were the only thing I had to rassle in the airplane. Five, maybe six hours total for my first install.
Do you know if this setup is compatible with the Garmin Aera660 to display traffic/AHRS?
im in for one jim. message me as to where to send the check and who to make it out to, you or RST.