Anybody fly in to Zamperini (KTOA)?

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  1. Eric Lehto

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    I'm interested in making a trip to KTOA to visit the western museum of flight. If I do so, it'll also be my first time dealing with the LAX Class B.

    Just wondering if anyone has any comments or advice.....
     
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    Since Torrance is the home of Robinson Helicopters, maybe you should schedule a tour of the factory. Pretty cool operation...
     
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    If you’ll be arriving from the north, fly over LAX through the LA Special Flight Rules Area. It’s easy and fascinating. No clearance is necessary, but you have to be at 3500’ (going south) and on a designated LAX VOR radial which you can mimic by using SMO and VPLSR as GPS waypoints. Also, announce your position several times on a specified frequency. During the week, I see other planes in the corridor only rarely, though I’ve been told it’s busy on weekends.

    If you’ll be arriving from the east or south, get Flight Following and plan to stay below the LAX shelf. ATC will guide you into KTOA. It’s a great airport: two runways, and it’s location is visible from miles away because it’s at the foot of the Palos Verdes Peninsula which sticks up clearly from the surrounding area.
     
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    Where ya comin from
     
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    Western Museum of Flight doesn’t really have many aircraft. At least they didn’t when I moved away in 2011. Might be different now. Have you been to Planes of Fame at Chino? How about Camarillo? Tons more airplanes to look at there. There is also the San Diego Air & Space Museum.

    However if you do go to TOA, I agree @IK04 in regards to a Robinson factory tour.

    And if you fly to TOA, a quick hop over to AVX is a must.
     
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    KWJF. In lancaster.

    And I only really want to see the YF-23 they have at the museum.
     
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    Like @Lon33 said above, the Special Flight Rules Area is a painless way to go. Coliseum or Coastal Route can work if you want to stay higher longer but you could get stuck up there even longer if they have traffic under you. I’ve done that flight from Fox to Torrance. If you want some company PM me. I’m in Acton right now and will be for a couple more weeks.
     
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    That plane was sitting out on the ramp a bit far from the actual museum when I saw it last. It really wasn’t much to look at. But again, that was 2011. Maybe they moved it closer and made it more presentable since then.
     
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    Stop in at The Airplane Factory and check out the Sling 2 and Sling 4. You won’t be disappointed.
     
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    What about the mini route? Heard that it's been rather hit and miss lately.

    Museum of flight isn't really worth a special trip. I hate to say it because I consider ktoa my home drome.

    The YF-23 is parked way on the Eastern side of the airfield next to an F-14 behind a fenced area. They only bring it out for special occasions. I'd call ahead.

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    Thanks for the info....
     
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    That confirms my recollections noted above.
     
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    If March ARB still has their museum, that's worth walking around. And the mini route is always fun if you can get it. Being 2500 feet above one of the busiest airports in the world, especially at night... Nothing quite like it unless you're in a helicopter and lower. :D

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    Saved you a trip. :D

    Honestly it looks fake and plastic in person. I was underwhelmed by everything except its size. (That's what she said)
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    That plane ^^ looks like one of the crappy models I used to glue together badly as a kid. :D


    IIRC KTOA has microphones at the airport and a rather odd/strict noise abatement procedure.

    https://www.torranceca.gov/our-city/community-development/environmental/noise-abatement

    It was well-posted in the little pilot lounge last time I was there, appx 2 years ago. I can't find the little kneeboard-sized pictograph of the procedure, so I'd grab a copy or a photo of it in the pilot lounge. It is mainly concerned with takeoffs, you'll be ok on landing.
     
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    An excellent suggestion! There is however a risk in doing this. You’ll be offered a demo flight, and then — no matter how much you like your current plane — you’ll want to buy one.
     
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    Fly north and go to castle afb in Atwater. Badass museum there. Tons of stuff from ww2 forward.


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    Ha Ha, so very true! I mad that mistake and now have one of my own...
     
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    From Willy J. Fox, grab flight following on the ground and then fly to SMO. My guess is SoCal will want you at 5500 over the BUR C, and you need terrain clearance anyway. Then descend to 3500 through the Sepulveda Pass and toward the SMO VOR, to intercept the SMO132, or set your GPS to SMO-PIJIN. If you fly the route a lot, you can probably figure out the visual cues, but I wouldn't bother. SoCal, probably on 134.2, will cut you loose to the corridor. You squawk 1201 and communicate on 128.55 - you must have and use strobes, along with recogs, and I keep my landing light on too. You are supposed to communicate, but the check in points are kind of your call. I always call SMO, Balona Creek, Lincoln Blvd/North Complex, Imperial Highway/105/South Complex and then one more call when exiting. Remember that you are only required to stay on the radial when essentially directly over the airport, but LAX has these oddball Class D "shoulders" and I'd keep at 3500' till you are clear of either side. You can call HHR for a transition and then make a nice leisurely descent into KTOA's airspace. Aircraft departing IFR from HHR turn left to 210 on departure, and they basically only allow left downwinds and crosswinds for VFR, so you shouldn't conflict when descending.

    This all sounds more complicated than it is - it is easy, especially if you have a GPS and are comfortable talking on the radio.

    The radial is off SMO, the SMO132. SMO-VPLSR is actually the Mini Route, which is the SMO128 radial, and hasn't been available in about a year, due to staffing shortages at LAX. PIJIN is the more "precise" GPS point, but lots of people still use VPLSR, cause you really wouldn't have a traffic conflict, even if the Mini Route was open, due to altitude.

    KTOA has microphones all over the departure path, and they recommend that a lot of planes depart VFR because of them. The procedure is actually diagrammed on a big sign at the departure end of the runways pointed in that direction. You basically fly runway heading to the outside of the hospital, then turn a continuous crosswind to downwind over Hawthorne Blvd, which you absolutely cannot miss. I recently flew in there for the first time and it was pretty easy. If you fly a 210, pull your prop back to 2600 as soon as you have a positive rate - our club's 210 is 1 violation away from a lifetime ban.
     
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    Great write up for the flight! I'm still trying to decide if I want to bother with TOA. The advice for the SFRA transition is great. Thanks!
     
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    SFRA procedures sound way more complex than they actually are. It takes a LOT of typing to describe them even though it takes approximately 2.5 or maybe 3 brain cells to actually do them. The hardest part is switching radio frequencies... which is cake if you have them written down in advance.
     
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    Exactly. They are like doing any sort of flight plan.