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Discussion in 'Flight Following' started by WannFly, Feb 22, 2021.
Weird, I also heard "cleared for take off, fly LEFT bound" from the tower. Of course it doesn't make sense because it's non-standard phraseology, but I would hope that proper context would help me out in that situation. And I would also hope that I studied the bravo boundaries before flying out of that airport.
Um, yeah, radio problems! That's it, radio problems!
I like the sneaky "frequency change approved" like he could just change frequency and sneak on out lol.
I hear "westbound" not "left bound"...but my ears suck
Ditto, I heard fly westbound, which the pilot read back as leftbound, and left turn he did upon departure!
EDIT: In a way it kinda makes sense. He did what he thought the controller told him to do, and then was no doubt confused.
Also, the controller at the end never specified what runway the last aircraft was cleared to land onto...I think the pilot added it for him.
Having grown up under Chicago’s Bravo, I have a healthy respect for their boundaries. I don’t think there was any reason for this pilot to have busted it. I’ve been quite close myself when on extended bases or finals to 20R at KDPA - where the shelf changes. It takes some added situational awareness to play along sometimes.
In this scenario, If I thought the controller gave me a vector or turn towards a bravo (and away? from my destination), I’d clarify and then ask them for a bravo clearance-which I know they can’t give. Furthermore, in this complex airspace, you have to brief the plan. It helps you figure out how to stay out of trouble.
One observation I had, the pilot at the radios didn’t seem overly confident. Maybe foreshadowing? Maybe a student or just a fresh PPL?
Even after he turned "left bound" towards the bravo, the turn to the east followed by a hairpin 180 made absolutely zero sense when his destination was KBKV. If he had made a dogleg to the west after turning "left bound", he would have had a non-zero chance of missing the bravo.
Love the chat w the pilot afterwards lol
I've chatted with controllers occasionally, when I know they're not busy. After all, they're just people too.
Filing an instrument flight plan resolves all this nonsense.
Filing an instrument plan prevents you from flying in circles and ignoring ATC? Cool! Who knew?
Lol. Yeah. That’s what I was saying.
I was waiting for another "frequency change approved" when the controlled asked him to write the phone number down, lol.
Right, he turned "leftbound" and then I think he got all confused and didn't know which direction to go. SA was doesn't seem to be this guys strong point.
I'm guessing you didn't actually watch the video
File confession with ASRS.
I'm gonna put this one into the bag o' tricks ... just in case I ever need it!
Aviate, navigate, communicate. Claiming a radio issue won’t help much.
“Was working on my radio”?
There was no danger. I had the shot, so I took it.
I think he took the wrong turn, accidentally dumped the tower frequency, than tried to recover. Still, it’s a bust. Not sure which direction MCO was landing, but that could have gotten messy fast. Can’t understand how someone flying out of ORL doesn’t know the basics about not flying south, even a student pilot properly trained.
First time there maybe or first time off that runway?
I could have gotten dinged one of the times I went into BKL. I always got inner runway when I had been in there previously for both arrival and departure. Then one time they gave me the outer runway, and when they told me to get off at taxiway whatever, guess who rolled across the other runway's hold short line?
TOWER: You took it. And broke a major rule of engagement.
TOWER: Then you broke another one with that circus-stunt flyby (Busting Bravo) Top Gun rules of engagement exist for your safety and for that of your team. They are not flexible, nor am I. Either obey them or you're history. Is that clear?
Not when the plane is based there. Doesn’t matter if you taking off on 7 or 25, south is still south. As an instructor that trained primary students, even some at ORL, there is a training failure to not drill that in or a student pilot not ready for solo flight issue here. Don’t want to kick him while he’s down, just an avoidable event. All ended well.
As the sweat pours from his face.
Unless it’s a steam gauge airplane and he forgot to set the DG. Then south could be an entirely different direction.
The plane is only flown by one person?
Been there. Crashed at a PoA'ers house 16 years ago. In sort of a last minute decision we went out to do some flying in their AMEL. I had 0 ME at the time. It was night. They are a ME/CFII and tossed me in the left seat. They assumed that I would set all the instruments. New to me plane, I didn't touch anything. Just waited for instruction. Off we go.
"Fly heading such and such"
So I do. Did I mention I never set any instruments?
"This doesn't look right, did you set the DG?"
"I didn't touch anything, it's a new to me plane."
Then, years later we were flying at Gaston's...
I hear having a screaming crying kid in the back seat is also a good excuse
I didn’t think of that just because I’m really smart.
Having been behind an HSI for more than a decade when I jump into a DG plane, I'm like why is this DG never aligned after I fire everything up?!?!
Until you try our dying HSI. Sometimes lines up correctly, sometimes not. Can't wait to get into the avionics shop and ditch it for GI275's.
He did that multiple times... that bugged me.
I’m assuming it was a daytime flight and the instructor has said to this student during previous training while pointing south “don’t fly in that direction down there. See those big jets flying overhead?” At least that’s what how we got our point across. If a controller says “turn left” off 25 that needs to be questioned at that airport.
South is still south. West is still west.
And West is Left.
That’s political commentary there.
Ah, assuming. I'm asking if you know if this person in question was the one to always fly that plane. You make that statement as if the *pilot* had always gotten those runways or instructions. That plane might be based there, and that plane might have been in and out of there a thousand times, but that particular pilot may not have. If it's always the same person to fly the plane, then sure, they knew better. But if it's not...
leftbound/westbound confusion. Nothing political.