...and we're worried about our real name on a forum? :-)

Ain't it grand that all these electronic devices that are supposed to make our lives better have become tools for those who wish to spy on us for various and sundry reasons? :mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2:
 
Matthew said:
How many of the conversations are:

"Where's the remote?"
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Matthew, Matthew, Matthew! You didn't follow the link, did you....smart TV...voice recognition!! Thanks for the chuckle!

Jim
 
Hey, looks like my plan to keep my 20YO proj RCA was pretty smart after all.

mmuuuuuaaaahahhahhahhahahaaaa!!!!
 
I'm visualizing rows of tables of Indians in a sweatshop overhearing domestic arguments and listening to the sound of men masturbating to porn.
 
Sac Arrow said:
I'm visualizing rows of tables of Indians in a sweatshop overhearing domestic arguments and listening to the sound of men masturbating to porn.
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....and wondering if there is a demonstrable link between the two activities! :eek:
 
In the farthest recesses of my memory is a news article about neighborhoods (maybe the rich gated places near Detroit before it was a total ****hole, where the security guards "monitored" residences by looking out thru the TV tube.

Wish I could remember more about it. Had to be a good 15 to 20 years go.
 
Norman said:
Ain't it grand that all these electronic devices that are supposed to make our lives better have become tools for those who wish to spy on us for various and sundry reasons? :mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2:
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"If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear."
 
Jim Rosenow said:
Matthew, Matthew, Matthew! You didn't follow the link, did you....smart TV...voice recognition!! Thanks for the chuckle!

Jim
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OK, OK. Of nally watched the video.

It sells, to a third party, "WTF???? WHY WOULD YOU PASS???!!! JUST HAND OFF TO MARSHAWN!!!"


Seriously, though - does that disclaimer work as a legal notice that you are being recorded?
 
Matthew said:
OK, OK. Of nally watched the video.

It sells, to a third party, "WTF???? WHY WOULD YOU PASS???!!! JUST HAND OFF TO MARSHAWN!!!"


Seriously, though - does that disclaimer work as a legal notice that you are being recorded?
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+1
That was heard at our house.
 
How do the smart TVs transmit the conversations to a third party? Are they connected to the Internet?
 
If I had one of these spy TVs, I'd have to leave recordings of barnyard animals running whenever we weren't around. That and a playback of the most controversial YouTube videos I could find to put in a playlist.

I love wasting the resources of companies doing stupid stuff like this. Tying up their computers storing the noises and their people trying to sift through them, would be fun. Could even wire it up so it fed the TV in silence whenever desired, and a circuit to bypass the mic.
 
Sac Arrow said:
I'm visualizing rows of tables of Indians in a sweatshop overhearing domestic arguments and listening to the sound of men masturbating to porn.
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Out of context of this thread, this is an interesting quote
 
Palmpilot said:
How do the smart TVs transmit the conversations to a third party? Are they connected to the Internet?
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The so called smart devices are connected to the internet. They provide access to services like netflix, hulu, and Pandora depending on the appsvthe support. Like Facebook and MySpace, it is prudent to review the privacy settings damned near constantly since roll outs of new updates frequently alter your settings. They depend on users not caring to check and their use agreement to allow this.
 
All the voice recognition technology in not-so-smart devices is farmed out to machines elsewhere. There's not enough horsepower in an iPhone, android phone nor Smart TV to do it in near real time. Nor most desktop/laptop computers.

Does a person listen to it? Nope. Could it be stored/mined? Yes, no question. Is it? I have no idea. It's a huge amount of storage as audio. But mind bogglingly huge amounts of storage are the norm now. As converted text it would be a pittance. How well it's converted I leave to your imagination. I'm still more surprised when Siri gets mine request right than when "she" gets it wrong.

We are better protected by the enormous amount of data collected than by any security schemes. In other words, our stuff is so far down in the noise most companies/government agencies don't have time to look at it.

John
 
jsstevens said:
We are better protected by the enormous amount of data collected than by any security schemes. In other words, our stuff is so far down in the noise most companies/government agencies don't have time to look at it.
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True, but should you become a person of interest, I'm sure they will find ways to mine all of that stuff.
 
Bill Jennings said:
True, but should you become a person of interest, I'm sure they will find ways to mine all of that stuff.
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Oh yes they will! And it's around forever. Even snapchat as I demonstrated to my daughter. Screen capture works. She was surprised. (But before any damage was done. Not that she would...)

One thing I'm very careful about is installing apps. Apps have access to a great deal of data that websites do not. And everybody has an app these days. Because apps have access to a great deal of data that websites do not...

John
 
silver-eagle said:
.. it is prudent to review the privacy settings damned near constantly since roll outs of new updates frequently alter your settings. They depend on users not caring to check and their use agreement to allow this.
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Samsung has warned its SmartTV customers that every word is being captured and sent over the Internet. "You can opt-out of the SmartTV voice recognition feature. But even if you opt out, your voice commands will still be captured."
 
Gerhardt said:
Samsung has warned its SmartTV customers that every word is being captured and sent over the Internet. "You can opt-out of the SmartTV voice recognition feature. But even if you opt out, your voice commands will still be captured."
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And you cellphone can, too. Siri and Google's system can do the same thing. There are apps and firmware exploits that can turn your phone into a listening device without you knowing.
 
wsuffa said:
And you cellphone can, too. Siri and Google's system can do the same thing. There are apps and firmware exploits that can turn your phone into a listening device without you knowing.
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Not to mention the camera.

But that's an exploit, not how the system is designed. Siri doesn't (as far as I know. I'm not an Apple developer.) capture anything unless you've activated her. Given the resources on an iPhone, I wouldn't waste processor, storage and network doing that.

John
 
I suppose one solution to this whole thing is don't get your video feed from the Internet. Like me. I don't have cable, or dish, or anything like that. The TV is hooked up to an antenna and gets broadcast HD only. I'm just too cheap to pay for cable service. I don't watch TV at home enough to justify it.
 
It's a damn shame when a man gets too lazy to tell his wife to get up and change channels.
 
Ghery said:
And ours.
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I was happy. :D

(there are some interesting statistics regarding passes from the 1 yard line and Lynch's ability to pick up 1 yard when needed)
 
Bill Jennings said:
True, but should you become a person of interest, I'm sure they will find ways to mine all of that stuff.
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Yup... And it all getting analyzed and stored in a new center in Utah....:mad2::mad2:...

But... It is for the children ya know...:rolleyes:
 
I always knew the tv was smarter than,myself. They must love re or ding boring conversations if their listening to me.
 
bburnett said:
It's a damn shame when a man gets too lazy to tell his wife to get up and change channels.
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Especially since she has to get up to get him a beer anyway! :rofl:
Of course, if I tried that I would be wearing a lot of beer, and watching a lot of channels I hate.
 
jsstevens said:
All the voice recognition technology in not-so-smart devices is farmed out to machines elsewhere. There's not enough horsepower in an iPhone, android phone nor Smart TV to do it in near real time. Nor most desktop/laptop computers.
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Android 4.3 jellybean no longer requires a network connection for this purpose. It is all done on device.
 
josephbelt01 said:
The smart tv and other devices don't record everything being said and transmit it back to the mothership. What they will do is "wake" when they hear a keyword and execute the commands they hear immediately after.
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I see. So it is in fact listening all the time. Else, how would it detect a 'keyword' if it were not listening?

Since the set follows the open standards model and allows firmware downloads to update the device, whats to stop NSA, or some other third party from downloading a keyword such as 'cocaine' or 'allah akbar' or pretty much anything else that Samsung wanted to collect money from a third party for?

Is it being done? No, pretty sure it isn't.

Could it be done? Oh yes, quite easily. I'm no coder but even I could write the keyword library to activate on whatever I wanted. Also, I could write the firmware to disable the alert notifications that the TV is now listening and recording your voice. BTW, if you think I'm full of BS, I used to work for Paraphonics(now Nortel) in their speech recognition group. You would be amazed at what we heard, and captured back in the good old analog days that we analyzed as part of the work on accents and phonetics.
 
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