A&P progression

FSIMS 8900.1, Volume 5, Chapter 5, Section 2, 5-1135 Experience Requirements -

G. Programs without Approval.
Applicants who have not graduated from an FAA-approved AMTS or JSAMTCC A&P certification program must present documents from an employer, coworker, or other sources satisfactory to the Administrator to establish the required record of time and experience.

1) Applicants will document a proportionate amount of experience directly applicable to the certificate and ratings sought. The applicant must have verifiable experience in 50 percent of the subject areas listed for the rating sought (refer to part 147 appendices B, C, and D) in order to be eligible.
2) The FAA inspector must evaluate the documents submitted to determine the applicants’ eligibility for a test authorization.
3) There is no expiration for this eligibility.

I have attached a hand dandy color coded document I made to correlate the tasks I learned with appropriate learning level as outlined in Appendices of 147

I happened to be getting the info I used for someone else asking the same question, this is what I used in conjuction with a resume like bullet point list of tasks accomplished and a letter of memorandum from the A&P that taught me stating I met the time requirements of 65.77
 

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GlennAB1 said:
That wouldn't be cross-training, that would be retraining. Cross-training is when it's an associated specialty.
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Cross training is an Air Force term for learning a new job. In Tim's case he crossed trained from aircraft maintenance to ATC.
 
I was in the Air Force. Then, cross-training was limited to associated specialties, it was OJT and there was no tech school involved. To go from an engine mech to a medical RT or UT tech would take considerably training, not OJT. The USAF uses the term re-training. Look it up.
 
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AF from 68-88. I cross trained from CE to ATC and went to ATC school for 5 months when the school was that long. That's what we called it when I was in, cross training.
 
Geez guess I'm just making it up for the hell of it! :rolleyes:
 
I am just saying what it was called when I was in. Screw you.
 
And, I explicitly recall that I could cross-train into my roommates specialty (Autopilot), but he couldn't cross-train into mine (Avionics Instrumentation Systems). Which ****ed me off, because I was forced to cross into his but he wasn't forced to cross into any other.
 
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um......yeah. So I got the John and Martha test materials stuff and so far I'm impressed. I've started on the powerplant portion and although they didn't tell me much about a jet that I didn't already know, there is a lot of stuff on the recip that I've learned and still learning. I'm going to contact Pima Community College to enroll in some hands on airframe classes which are taught by the DME that will eventually conduct my practical exams. The only problem is my ridiculous schedule which will make attending classes problematic every other week.
 
Timbeck2 said:
um......yeah. So I got the John and Martha test materials stuff and so far I'm impressed. I've started on the powerplant portion and although they didn't tell me much about a jet that I didn't already know, there is a lot of stuff on the recip that I've learned and still learning. I'm going to contact Pima Community College to enroll in some hands on airframe classes which are taught by the DME that will eventually conduct my practical exams. The only problem is my ridiculous schedule which will make attending classes problematic every other week.
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Any community college faculty worth his salt will bend his schedule to meet yours. I've been doing it for 50 years for my students and haven't lost a one of them.

Jim
 
My father was former military aircraft mechanic in the Airforce.. worked on the F100 airframe among others... and did his time in Vietnam. I do not know the specifics of his training, but at one point he was able to sit down and get his A&P based on his prior experience and a test. This was in the 80's when he got the civilian A&P rating
 
Doggtyred said:
My father was former military aircraft mechanic in the Airforce.. worked on the F100 airframe among others... and did his time in Vietnam. I do not know the specifics of his training, but at one point he was able to sit down and get his A&P based on his prior experience and a test. This was in the 80's when he got the civilian A&P rating
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A/F crew chiefs had the magic MOS to get all 3 A&P+ the G
 
GlennAB1 said:
Air Force uses AFSC, Army uses MOS.
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Which only matters from a standpoint of pedantic nitpicking, or you are actively in the service and use the wrong term with a pedantically nitpicking superior or colleague. We could just as easily say "military job title" and be done with it. Would that be acceptable?
 
Tom-D said:
A/F crew chiefs had the magic MOS to get all 3 A&P+ the G
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... all 3 A&P + the G?

No matter if you qualify for Airframe only, Powerplant only or both; you still qualify to take the General. It is not a separate approval and you must pass the General to receive either the A or the P.
 
SkyDog58 said:
... all 3 A&P + the G?

No matter if you qualify for Airframe only, Powerplant only or both; you still qualify to take the General. It is not a separate approval and you must pass the General to receive either the A or the P.
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Are you saying that they are not 3 separate tests? or are you saying you don't like the way I wrote it.?
 
Doggtyred said:
Which only matters from a standpoint of pedantic nitpicking, or you are actively in the service and use the wrong term with a pedantically nitpicking superior or colleague. We could just as easily say "military job title" and be done with it. Would that be acceptable?
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No, "military job title" is different than AFSC or MOS. My job title was: Avionics Instrumentation Systems Specialist. My AFSC (Air Force Specialty Code) was 325X1.
 
Tom-D said:
Are you saying that they are not 3 separate tests? or are you saying you don't like the way I wrote it.?
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Oh, they are indeed three separate tests but the General does not require a separate authorization nor is there any military job code that will qualify you for just the General. You can be qualified for the Airframe rating, Powerplant rating or both. If you qualify to test for the A or P, you qualify to take the general. There is no separate qualification or application for just the general. You wrote your post as if there was.
 
As noted the biggest issue is getting the authorization to take the tests. My suggestion is make an appointment, take all your papers down there and lay out your story. I got authorized based on a mixture of military and civilian experience and an incomplete community college program. The interviewer said I didn't have enough experience for the P license. So we go out front for a smoke (this was back in the 70's when you could do that, before the post 9-11 air locks and metal detectors) and out comes a field examiner whom I had met a week earlier. We had had a casual conversation about some common interest, I think it was Alfa Romeos. Anyway he said "Hi" and my interviewer asked him "Do you know this guy?" To which he replied "yea" and that was all it took to get me signed off for the power plant exam. So you never know, the guy interviewing you might have a kid in the service or something.

The tests are no big deal. If you spend a couple of weekends going through the study guides they're the same questions and by the time you sit down to take the actual test you'll know the answer before you even get done reading half of them just by the shape of the text and the first few words. The practical is basically just an oral version of the same thing, maybe he'll have you time a mag, safety a couple of bolts, drill out and replace a few rivets. They make a big todo about it all but actually nobody's out to bust your ass.
 
Well I know all about turbo chargers, super chargers, waste gate, differential valves, etc. My nugget is getting full of the good stuff.
 
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