A new competition

I wonder what the Top Gear guys might say about this.

That "fling out" prop design was cool.
 
I wonder what the Top Gear guys might say about this.

That "fling out" prop design was cool.

The Stemme S-10 uses that prop design, but as a puller, not a pusher. The prop says behind a nose cone fairing. Internal control to push the cone forward before starting the engine. The blades pop out the slot after the cone moves forward.
 
Hmmm. A cross between a Reliant Robin and a Bensen gyrocopter. Now, why am I skeptical?
 
The Maverick still wins. But this is closer then most, I don't see conventional wings ever working.
 
Hmmm. A cross between a Reliant Robin and a Bensen gyrocopter. Now, why am I skeptical?

Because your perceptions fool you. This is a three wheeled motorcycle and completely stable in a turn due to flexible geometry, watch how it turns, it's excellent. As for gyrocopters, I have no reservations, I like them and they are the obvious choice for a flying car as they eliminate the need for runways. With a pre rotator a moderate size parking or empty lot is plenty of space to operate. I'll take two. Oh yeah, the best part, it licenses as motorcycle $$.
 
The motorcycle license bit is clever-gets them around airbag and bumper requirements. Poor Terrafugia folks just lobby for more exceptions...
 
That actually makes a lot of sense. A car gyrocopter. A carocopter!

Like thong panties. Thanties!
 
Hmmm. A cross between a Reliant Robin and a Bensen gyrocopter. Now, why am I skeptical?

2 of the most venerable vehicles ever produced! Right up there with the AMC Gremlin and Ford Pinto

:D
 
2 of the most venerable vehicles ever produced! Right up there with the AMC Gremlin and Ford Pinto

:D

??? Outside of being an aerodynamic atrocity, what was wrong with Gremlins? We couldn't kill them and that says a hell of lot lol.
 
I can't wait until we have a freeway full of these all trying to deploy their rotors.

you are just lifting off when the semi gets there wack wack shi-
 
I can't wait until we have a freeway full of these all trying to deploy their rotors.

you are just lifting off when the semi gets there wack wack shi-

No, no need to drive to the freeway. Every neighborhood can have a launch/landing pads. You only drive past the end of the neighborhood if you need a heavier ground bound vehicle. The average person could drop the kids off at school and take off on the athletic field or parking lot. The impact on rush hour single passenger commuter traffic could be tremendous.
 
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No, no need to drive to the freeway. Every neighborhood can have a launch/landing pads. You only drive past the end of the neighborhood if you need a heavier ground bound vehicle. The average person could drop the kids off at school and take off on the athletic field or parking lot. The impact on rush hour single passenger commuter traffic could be tremendous.

With the dufus drivers around here the sky would be raining these things, thank God they will be too expensive for the stupid.
 
??? Outside of being an aerodynamic atrocity, what was wrong with Gremlins? We couldn't kill them and that says a hell of lot lol.

I actually wouldnt mind owning a gremlin, only because noone else has one anymore and I like being unique.
 
With the dufus drivers around here the sky would be raining these things, thank God they will be too expensive for the stupid.

You're missing part of the picture. First off, gyrocopters don't rain out of the sky, that's one of their key selling points is they are intrinsically safe by their nature of design. The failure mode is an auto rotation; but that's not the big thing. The big thing is we are on the cusp of autonomous aircraft. Even right now it you could make it work using current A/P technology with off the shelf collision avoidance sensor technology. With ADS-B the ability to future predict collision avoidance needs goes way up. All someone has to do is fill in some code to tie things together and it gets done with 2011 off the shelf hardware.

You'll google up where you want to go on your phone. When you get in it synchs up with the BT and shoots the GoogleMaps info the nav system and boots it up feeding the AP and 3D SVT's flight director. It will guide you to the nearest local launch pad. From there you launch and the fly by wire system makes sure that operator inputs never exceed design parameters. While the AP will fly the route and avoid collision autonomously, there will still be provision for manually guided flight as well that the system maintains within control and collision avoidance needs. It actually becomes a safer deal because you have a 3rd dimension available for collision avoidance spacing.

It won't be the high speed flying car that a fixed wing allows for, but for the general uses we have for it to relief traffic congestion in large metropolises, it's great and can go much faster than current traffic jam speeds.
 
Damn good idea, and awesome execution from what I see in the little video. Only problem is the thing will be too expensive to be either a trike or a gyrocopter. Still, a gyrocopter is a great idea for the flying car idea. They're way safer than fixed wing, and can more easily take advantage of more limited urban spaces. Really great idea.
 
First off, gyrocopters don't rain out of the sky, that's one of their key selling points is they are intrinsically safe by their nature of design.

True however you're talking about people buying them that are unable to maintain reasonable control of their vehicles when operating on dry high friction concrete and high traction rubber. Can you imagine your average aggressive driver that can't control a car safely operating one in a 30mph wind in a turbulent city at a heavily obstructed strip mall at 300lbs over gross weight. Aluminum Rain.

The whole concept is a nice idea however this civilization is not set up for anything like this. It's cultural, not technological. You can't even park at a shopping center without someone bumping your vehicle and when they don't bump into you, someone vandalizes your stuff if it's anything beyond extremely ordinary. Something out of the ordinary like that thing will attract every punk kid for 5 miles around with a pry bar, stick, pop can, piece of coat hanger or screwdriver to molest it causing more Aluminum Rain shortly after the non-existent preflight.

It won't be the high speed flying car that a fixed wing allows for, but for the general uses we have for it to relief traffic congestion in large metropolises, it's great and can go much faster than current traffic jam speeds.

PAL-V N81399815 Squawk 513505421315110531210351315313545311267, expect takeoff authorization August 24th, 4193 18:53:21Z.

When the world population decreases to about 10 million people total, this concept will work extremely well. Until then, it's just a George Jetson dream.
 
You're missing part of the picture. First off, gyrocopters don't rain out of the sky, that's one of their key selling points is they are intrinsically safe by their nature of design. The failure mode is an auto rotation; but that's not the big thing. The big thing is we are on the cusp of autonomous aircraft. Even right now it you could make it work using current A/P technology with off the shelf collision avoidance sensor technology. With ADS-B the ability to future predict collision avoidance needs goes way up. All someone has to do is fill in some code to tie things together and it gets done with 2011 off the shelf hardware.

You'll google up where you want to go on your phone. When you get in it synchs up with the BT and shoots the GoogleMaps info the nav system and boots it up feeding the AP and 3D SVT's flight director. It will guide you to the nearest local launch pad. From there you launch and the fly by wire system makes sure that operator inputs never exceed design parameters. While the AP will fly the route and avoid collision autonomously, there will still be provision for manually guided flight as well that the system maintains within control and collision avoidance needs. It actually becomes a safer deal because you have a 3rd dimension available for collision avoidance spacing.

It won't be the high speed flying car that a fixed wing allows for, but for the general uses we have for it to relief traffic congestion in large metropolises, it's great and can go much faster than current traffic jam speeds.

I'll bet they are not exempt from midair collisions. And when damaged I'll bet they fall just as good as any rock.
 
I'll bet they are not exempt from midair collisions. And when damaged I'll bet they fall just as good as any rock.

If the rotor isn't damaged they autorotate. A lot more accidents are caused by power plant failures than midair collisions. I'd fly a gyrocopter in a heartbeat, but I don't think there are any certificated examples available. There used to be a kit maker in Canada, but I think they went away.
 
I'll bet they are not exempt from midair collisions. And when damaged I'll bet they fall just as good as any rock.

Mid air collisions are simple to avoid with current radar technology, not an issue.
 
Mid air collisions are simple to avoid with current radar technology, not an issue.

Really? I want to see 600,000 of those operating in completely random and erratic directions and altitudes, over somewhere like the 1000ish square miles of Denver between 4:45pm to 6:00pm. I'll even give in to seeing it done on a nice calm day without lenticulars lurking over the mountains that would slap them all out of the sky. Just please run the video feed to my closed up underground missile silo.
 
Really? I want to see 600,000 of those operating in completely random and erratic directions and altitudes, over somewhere like the 1000ish square miles of Denver between 4:45pm to 6:00pm. I'll even give in to seeing it done on a nice calm day without lenticulars lurking over the mountains that would slap them all out of the sky. Just please run the video feed to my closed up underground missile silo.

Look, sorry, it's not that tough. The reason mankind is so slow to advance is because people spend all their time coming up for reasons not to do something.
 
60K people aren't going to buy a thing like that. If they sell 6K, they'll be one of the largest aerospace manufacturers in the world. Too many people dissing anything new. I love the idea. Thing ever comes to fruition I'll buy one, park it in my garage, and kick the car out in the street.
 
Load cells in the gear can also prevent take off outside the weight and balance envelope. Over loaded or out of cg and the rotors refuse to extend.
 
I like the concept. I'm just afraid that making it something the average person can use (it probably CAN be done) would cost half a mil or so. Especially if it's got to be done with certifi(ed/cated/whatever) avionics. Sure, a complete fly-by-wire, load cells to make sure it's in W&B, hands-off, brain-off nav, takeoff, landing and collision avoidance... because you KNOW at least half the people operating them will be texting, reading the newspaper or putting on makeup.

For mass consumption you'd really need to make it a completely autonomous UAV with a seat or two... with a provision for a certificated pilot to exercise manual control.
 
After these are approved for the common folks, the best business in Aviation will a PAL-V repair shop.
 
Really? I want to see 600,000 of those operating in completely random and erratic directions and altitudes, over somewhere like the 1000ish square miles of Denver between 4:45pm to 6:00pm. I'll even give in to seeing it done on a nice calm day without lenticulars lurking over the mountains that would slap them all out of the sky. Just please run the video feed to my closed up underground missile silo.

There's an old Titan site near Aurora Reservoir. Wanna go halvsies? Haha. ;)
 
60K people aren't going to buy a thing like that. If they sell 6K, they'll be one of the largest aerospace manufacturers in the world. Too many people dissing anything new. I love the idea. Thing ever comes to fruition I'll buy one, park it in my garage, and kick the car out in the street.
Very true for the near term future. It will remain exclusive until the risk takers put enough time on and feed back into the technology to mature it into something the general public can use. Something like this will be a decade before a mass consumer market product comes out.
 
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There's an old Titan site near Aurora Reservoir. Wanna go halvsies? Haha. ;)

Can it take that much metal falling on it? I know it's a nuke silo however that is a LOT of metal that will be coming down. If not, we'll have to find one of the ones in the middle of nowhere. :lol:
 
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