80% scale C182 available as an LSA

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Pretty cool looking plane and an interesting concept.
Looks very tight (well put together):
 
Cool looking.
80% a 182 but 50% the HP is concerning.. however he states the climb performance is there.

what catches the door from opening too far?
 
Couldn't find a new price but a few lightly used, <$150K
I think we'll see more of them.
 
ateamer said:
The L600 might be 80% of a 182’s size, but it’s only 42% of its weight.
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hmm makes my brain hurt but it's got more cabin space than a 182.
However the wetted surface has to be smaller. And no rivets.
 
ateamer said:
The L600 might be 80% of a 182’s size, but it’s only 42% of its weight.
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80% size means 64% of the wing (and wetted) area. If MOSAIC passes, the gross weight will likely increase. Not my cup of tea, but it looks like a nice plane for what it is.
 
Lets see; optional 130 long range tanks. That’s 34 gallons. Put the Rotax 916is on it and you’ve got 1/3d less fuel than a Sling TSI. Call it 3 or 4 gallons for reserves and 6gph fuel burn leaves ~4.5hrs with a cruise speed of 108kts.

I’d opt for the TSI or high wing instead.
 
I first saw this plane at Oshkosh a few years ago. I looked up and saw a 182 in the ultralight pattern and thought we were about to have a big issue! I really expected a crash when it landed on the ultralight runway. Once I saw it on the ground, it was smaller, had an odd cowling, and the strut is behind the door, but it's one of those planes that's obviously rip-off of a well-known design.
 
I thought the electric pipistral EV thingy was the new trainer hotness?

I'll take a BD-4B/C any day.
 
DaleB said:
So in other words... it's an LSA. :) I can say that, I fly an RV-12. Scratch the paint and you see a Pepsi logo.
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I recall climbing into an RV12 at an airshow. I was instructed to support my weight along a rivet line, and I remember the aluminum in-between as definitely feeling soda can-ish.

That said, many composite LSA's like my Sky Arrow feel pretty robust. But at least in the case of my plane, the tradeoff is a high EW - about 860 lbs in my case.
 
I've lost track of MOSAIC, but if it goes through as it was last proposed, I'd hate to have recently purchased a plane like this. My 182 will fall under Light Sport category and I think that will make it go up in value, where planes like this will become less desirable.
 
Lowflynjack said:
I've lost track of MOSAIC, but if it goes through as it was last proposed, I'd hate to have recently purchased a plane like this. My 182 will fall under Light Sport category and I think that will make it go up in value, where planes like this will become less desirable.
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On the good side, it might drop the price for a lot of currently Sport Pilot-eligible planes. Cubs, Champs, Ercoupes and such won’t be prime contenders anymore for pilots who need to stay within SP privileges.
 
ateamer said:
On the good side, it might drop the price for a lot of currently Sport Pilot-eligible planes. Cubs, Champs, Ercoupes and such won’t be prime contenders anymore for pilots who need to stay within SP privileges.
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Yeah, they got a little expensive when LSA came around! I had a Luscombe, but it was destroyed in a crash. I went to buy another one, but LSA had been created and Luscombes were way more expensive. I bought a Cessna 140 instead since I didn't need LSA.
 
FastEddieB said:
I recall climbing into an RV12 at an airshow. I was instructed to support my weight along a rivet line, and I remember the aluminum in-between as definitely feeling soda can-ish.

That said, many composite LSA's like my Sky Arrow feel pretty robust. But at least in the case of my plane, the tradeoff is a high EW - about 860 lbs in my case.
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Yeesh. Mine's a hundred pounds lighter. Yeah, wing skins are a little thinner than you'll find in larger planes, but in general I kid with the soda can thing - it's a pretty tough little plane. I'm north of 250# and don't have to be careful getting in - the wing walks are pretty robust, no sign of ripples or deformation with four of us flying it > 100 hours a year. I think we're at about the 1000 hour mark TT now.

Lowflynjack said:
I've lost track of MOSAIC, but if it goes through as it was last proposed, I'd hate to have recently purchased a plane like this. My 182 will fall under Light Sport category and I think that will make it go up in value, where planes like this will become less desirable.
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I dunno. LSA or no LSA, it still is exactly what it is. Maybe prices for current LSAs will go down a couple percent, maybe prices for anything that newly falls into the range will go up a couple percent, but there will still be a demand for planes to meet a particular mission. I'm not particularly worried about it. I don't think we'll be looking to sell the -12 even if MOSAIC results in the expansion that everyone seems to be hoping for.
 
DaleB said:
I dunno. LSA or no LSA, it still is exactly what it is. Maybe prices for current LSAs will go down a couple percent, maybe prices for anything that newly falls into the range will go up a couple percent, but there will still be a demand for planes to meet a particular mission. I'm not particularly worried about it. I don't think we'll be looking to sell the -12 even if MOSAIC results in the expansion that everyone seems to be hoping for.
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I'm just thinking it opens up a market for the guy who needed or wanted something like a 182, but had to get something Light-Sport. It should make some existing LSAs lose popularity, and probably go out of business. I don't think the RV-12 has anything to worry about though. Nice planes.
 
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