61.109(a) 10hours of Solo "Flight Training".....?

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I'm kinda stuck here on Private pilot aeronautical experience for ASEL.

the 61.109(a) as follows :
(a) For an airplane single-engine rating. Except as provided in paragraph (k) of this section, a person who applies for a private pilot certificate with an airplane category and single-engine class rating must log
at least 40 hours of flight time that includes at least 20 hours of flight training from an authorized instructor
and
10 hours of solo flight training in the areas of operation listed in § 61.107(b)(1) of this part, and the training must include at least—~~


according to 61.1, 'Flight Training' means that training received from an authorized instructor in flight in an aircraft.


1.so that 10hrs of 'solo flight training' is the dual flight with student and instructor, getting ready for the solo, practicing the items listed in 61.107(b)(1)?
or
2.student go on a solo, conduct 61.107(b)(1)?

if 1. is right, then students must log at least 10hrs of dual flight before going for their solo?


I've also read the FAA legal interpretation about this, but still it doesn't give me clear idea, What am I missing here?
https://drs.faa.gov/browse/excelExternalWindow/FAA000000000LEGALINTPR2018006PDF.0001
 
MauleSkinner said:
The sentence that connects pages one and two, and note 2.
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yes, i saw that part as well, so does it mean that FAA misused the term of 'flight training', and it's supposed to be just a 'solo flight'?
but why is there a another mentioning about 10hr 'Solo flight' at 61.109(a)(5)? FAA just decided to mention it twice?
 
leejy1025 said:
yes, i saw that part as well, so does it mean that FAA misused the term of 'flight training', and it's supposed to be just a 'solo flight'?
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What does note 2 say?
but why is there a another mentioning about 10hr 'Solo flight' at 61.109(a)(5)? FAA just decided to mention it twice?
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Because the 10 hours listed in (a) can be done in any category/class, but the sub paragraphs (1) through (5) are required to be in single-engine airplanes.
 
It’s solo. Using the phrase “flight training” in that regulation is unfortunate for the reason you mention - “flight training” is defined as dual, so it can be confusing. But it’s solo.

Making up an explanation … since the prerequisites for student solo flights involve both training and CFI endorsements, the FAA considers solo flight a training event, even though the CFI is not physically in the airplane with you.
 
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midlifeflyer said:
It’s solo. Using the phrase “flight training” in that regulation is unfortunate for the reason you mention - “flight training” is defined as dual, so it can be confusing. But it’s solo.

Making up an explanation … since the prerequisites for student solo flights involve both training and CFI endorsements, the FAA considers solo flight training event, even though the CFI is not physically in the airplane with you.
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thanks for clarification!
 
midlifeflyer said:
It’s solo. Using the phrase “flight training” in that regulation is unfortunate for the reason you mention - “flight training” is defined as dual, so it can be confusing. But it’s solo.

Making up an explanation … since the prerequisites for student solo flights involve both training and CFI endorsements, the FAA considers solo flight training event, even though the CFI is not physically in the airplane with you.
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Generally, training must be received from an authorized instructor. The term flight training has a definition in the regs and the term solo flight training does not have a definition. Solo flight training is interpreted differently to mean experience obtained under the supervision of one or more CFIs. Under the regulations, solo flight training is experience not training.
 
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leejy1025 said:
asking me back wouldn't really help me in this case.. may I ask your opinion?
leejy1025 said:
so does it mean that FAA misused the term of 'flight training', and it's supposed to be just a 'solo flight'?
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My opinion is that the FAA meant what it said in the note, and the words '§ 61.109(a) improperly uses the term "solo flight training,"' and 'Section 61. 109(a)(5) more accuratly describes this flight time as "solo flight time,"' directly answer your question.
 
MauleSkinner said:
My opinion is that the FAA meant what it said in the note, and the words '§ 61.109(a) improperly uses the term "solo flight training,"' and 'Section 61. 109(a)(5) more accuratly describes this flight time as "solo flight time,"' directly answer your question.
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Go back and compare the requirements for the sport and private certificates. One requires 5 hours of solo flight training (61.311 and 61.313) and the other requires 10 hours of solo flight training (61.109 and 61.107).

How does a pilot train themselves solo for any of the 10 tasks under 61.311 or the 12 tasks for 61.107?
 
Clip4 said:
Go back and compare the requirements for the sport and private certificates. One requires 5 hours of solo flight training (61.311 and 61.313) and the other requires 10 hours of solo flight training (61.109 and 61.107).

How does a pilot train themselves solo for any of the 10 tasks under 61.311 or the 12 tasks for 61.107?
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So is your contention that the note is correct or incorrect?
 
A good pilot is always solo flight training, and sometimes with passengers aboard.
 
It's solo, and as a solo, for at least 10 of those solo hours you annotate in remarks, "Practicing operations identified in 61.107(b)(1)"
 
BillTIZ said:
It's solo, and as a solo, for at least 10 of those solo hours you annotate in remarks, "Practicing operations identified in 61.107(b)(1)"
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61.107(b)(1)(ix) “Basic instrument maneuvers”.
 
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