EppyGA
Touchdown! Greaser!
And after the pat down they say something about a drug test!
And after the pat down they say something about a drug test!
I'll bet that they do that and then have the DoJ go after PoA for posting kiddie pornI bet five bucks the TSA will fine these people for videotaping that in the secure area just to show they are above the law and set an example for others to not try it...... Time will tell.
It may or may not be ridiculous to pat down a 6 year old, but I would hardly call that groping. Looked like a pretty standard pat-down to me. Are the pat-downs unnecessary? maybe.
"Maybe"? Seriously. They accomplish nothing.It may or may not be ridiculous to pat down a 6 year old, but I would hardly call that groping. Looked like a pretty standard pat-down to me. Are the pat-downs unnecessary? maybe.
She might not have had a choice.
No. There's some serious flaws with that logic.If you're going to pat-down anybody, then you have to pat-down everybody. If you exclude little girls, then little girls become the vehicle to use to smuggle contraband on board.
-harry
My argument is "if you're gonna pat down anybody, then you have to pat down everybody". I never commented on whether or not you should pat down anybody.... If the pat downs were effective, and if the were terrorists trying to smuggle contraband on planes, and if it were morally appropriate to subject your own population to this treatment, then your argument would work.
The guy who lit his underpants on fire tried, and succeeded, to smuggle contraband on board. So apparently somebody is trying. A security measure's deterrent effect can't be measured solely by who gets caught. If you know that these measures have no deterrence effect, then you know the unknowable.There aren't any terrorists trying to smuggle contraband ...
My argument is "if you're gonna pat down anybody, then you have to pat down everybody". I never commented on whether or not you should pat down anybody.
The guy who lit his underpants on fire tried, and succeeded, to smuggle contraband on board. So apparently somebody is trying. A security measure's deterrent effect can't be measured solely by who gets caught. If you know that these measures have no deterrence effect, then you know the unknowable.
-harry
What is fair treatment for one is fair for all.
Having just come back from overseas and two international airports, I can safely say you get the same treatment there as in the US.
introducing legislation to prohibit pat-down searches of minors without the consent and presence of a parent.
What choices do governments have? While not perfect, much like sobriety checkpoints, something is being done.
... What is fair treatment for one is fair for all.
I don't know that of course. I was only saying that we don't know that they DO have an effect. Maybe the TSA could offer free massages? Those do have a proven effect, which is more than can be said for all of the other TSA nonsense. In the light you described, I agree with your post of course.My argument is "if you're gonna pat down anybody, then you have to pat down everybody". I never commented on whether or not you should pat down anybody.
The guy who lit his underpants on fire tried, and succeeded, to smuggle contraband on board. So apparently somebody is trying. A security measure's deterrent effect can't be measured solely by who gets caught. If you know that these measures have no deterrence effect, then you know the unknowable.
-harry
Maybe there's hope yet!
Very well saidUntil the networks trot out legions of happy faced slobbery morons on the sidewalk who are happy to tell the camera how they will do whatever so long as they feel safe and besides it's no big deal. Like last time.
What choices do governments have? While not perfect, much like sobriety checkpoints, something is being done.