500,000 pilots?!

Hmmm....bet they need some CFIs. How long does it take to learn Chinese??!

But limiting GA to 3000' and below?? That could be interesting.
 
When Chinese flight schools pull the "Pilot Shortage" card, they don't mess around.:rofl: They will have to start manufacturing the Cirrus with the CD-300 over there.
 
This could be good for US GA. We may get some good new airplanes. If the FAA is willing to let us have them.
 
LDJones said:
Hmmm....bet they need some CFIs. How long does it take to learn Chinese??!

But limiting GA to 3000' and below?? That could be interesting.
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No, they have to learn English.
We're in!
 
LDJones said:
Hmmm....bet they need some CFIs. How long does it take to learn Chinese??!

But limiting GA to 3000' and below?? That could be interesting.
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That's pretty much the case in much of the world. We don't realize how good we have it sometimes. In the UK for instance you cannot fly at night without an instrument rating.
 
I have said many times that if China were a company, I would buy stock in it.

May not be the "American" thing to do, but it would b be lucrative. ,
 
RalphInCA said:
I have said many times that if China were a company, I would buy stock in it.

May not be the "American" thing to do, but it would b be lucrative. ,
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You might wanna re-think that, I just dumped some Chinese stock. It was basically the Chinese version of Walgreens - did nothing but go down in price since I bought it.
 
They are embracing aviation they must be an ascending empire. Good thing we've gotten past that part and don't need any pesky, noisy, risk taking going on.:rolleyes2::no:
 
ClimbnSink said:
They are embracing aviation they must be an ascending empire. Good thing we've gotten past that part and don't need any pesky, noisy, risk taking going on.:rolleyes2::no:
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They had a big earthquake a while back and realized they needed GA to be there for catastrophes.
 
Henning said:
Not for flying within China they don't.
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hmmm our field has the big Chinese student population and they are required to learn English as part of their training. And their doing a fantastic job of it let me tell you :lol:

Then they go back home and fly something commercial. I thought English was the language of flight in any country.
 
Art VanDelay said:
You might wanna re-think that, I just dumped some Chinese stock. It was basically the Chinese version of Walgreens - did nothing but go down in price since I bought it.
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Yeah, I know. I had some money in a Chinese company that did solar for a while. Lost money.
 
SixPapaCharlie said:
hmmm our field has the big Chinese student population and they are required to learn English as part of their training. And their doing a fantastic job of it let me tell you :lol:

Then they go back home and fly something commercial. I thought English was the language of flight in any country.
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If they fly inside China on a non-international compliant license they can speak whatever they like. Same as being an ultralight pilot in America, no need no stinkin English, but don't try flying one to Canada.
 
SixPapaCharlie said:
hmmm our field has the big Chinese student population and they are required to learn English as part of their training. And their doing a fantastic job of it let me tell you :lol:

Then they go back home and fly something commercial. I thought English was the language of flight in any country.
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You can speak English when you fly in China. It's just that almost EVERYONE else on the frequency are speaking Mandarin - your situational awareness goes right out the window. Imagine what it would be like at your local field if you were the only one speaking English.
 
Henning said:
Of course you did, China is Communist.:rofl:
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This was a few years ago. The company, and I forget the name, was a Chinese company that supposedly sold solar parts to american companies for the solar industry.

I figured because of the solar boom that was coming because of Obama's interest in solar, I would be rich in a few years.

I thought wrong.

Fortunately, it was only an AMU or so.
 
SixPapaCharlie said:
hmmm our field has the big Chinese student population and they are required to learn English as part of their training. And THEIR doing a fantastic job of it let me tell you :lol:
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Sorry, I couldn't resist pointing that out. ;)
 
At DTO where Bryan and I, the Chinese students talk so slowly and deliberately, I feel like our calls are rapid fire "leet speak" from World of Warcraft.

"Ground, FiveFiveWhiskeyBravo, Hotel, Taxi Runway, Numbers, flight following, Dairy Queen BBQ"

Gets me

"Skylane Five Five Whiskey Bravo, taxi to runway 18 via bravo and alpha. You are cleared to Graham, Texas then Stephenville. Squawk 5201. departure frequency 118point1. Advise tower when ready for departure, 119point5."

And as much as we grouse about them, I am happy with the quantity of money their flight training activity is brining to Denton. The quantity of their operations keep our airport busy enough that we are never in jeopardy of a tower closure and when the city/manager applies for funding for a major upgrade, the government money handlers take it into serious consideration.
 
Nice Mike,

Never thought to get FF at initial call up.

I tend to do the initial call for taxi
Then while taxiing, I make my call for FF

When I am back in action, I am going to try it that way.
 
Welcome to my World... HUGE flight schools at KDVT (Deer Valley), mostly filled with Asian students, taking advantage of the 350+ flying days per year.
 
Art VanDelay said:
You can speak English when you fly in China. It's just that almost EVERYONE else on the frequency are speaking Mandarin - your situational awareness goes right out the window. Imagine what it would be like at your local field if you were the only one speaking English.
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Settle down. Nobody loses situational awareness because someone else on the radio is speaking French in Canada, Spanish in Spain or mandarin in China. If you do then there is some mental issue going on.

Is it nice to hear and understand the other planes on the freq? Sure...but that doesn't mean you're lost without the radio.
 
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Btw, all y'all yuk it up and make fun of the accents at various parts of the country with large Chinese flight student populations. I've done it too and I've gotten annoyed with the radio...

But I'll say this, they do a billion times better job of coming here and learning to fly using English than I'd do learning to fly over there speaking mandarin!
 
Art VanDelay said:
You can speak English when you fly in China. It's just that almost EVERYONE else on the frequency are speaking Mandarin - your situational awareness goes right out the window. Imagine what it would be like at your local field if you were the only one speaking English.
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No thanks. I like imagining the flow in my head.
 
I thought 500k was the salary. Let me know what they're paying, and I'll tell you if i'm interested.
 
I'll side with Art on this one. Flying IFR, you can gain insight by listening to other pilots on your frequency. You lose this when you fly into a country like France. Does this mean the plane is going to crash? No.

There are countries like Germany where the pilots speak English on the radio. Then there are countries like France and China where the ATC radio communications are bilingual. It got even more interesting when I was flying cargo for Air France. :yes:

Captain said:
Settle down. Nobody loses situational awareness because someone else on the radio is speaking French in Canada, Spanish in Spain or mandarin in China. If you do then there is some mental issue going on.

Is it nice to hear and understand the other planes on the freq? Sure...but that doesn't mean you're lost without the radio.
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Art VanDelay said:
That's pretty much the case in much of the world. We don't realize how good we have it sometimes. In the UK for instance you cannot fly at night without an instrument rating.
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That is incorrect. You can fly at night in the UK without an instrument rating (and I have done on a number of occasions).

You can't in the Netherlands or Belgium, though.
 
SixPapaCharlie said:
Nice Mike,

Never thought to get FF at initial call up.

I tend to do the initial call for taxi
Then while taxiing, I make my call for FF

When I am back in action, I am going to try it that way.
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My description is exaggerated for humor, but it's essentially the idea. But once I get taxi clearance, I do ask for FF while I'm reading back the clearance. Usually by the time I'm entering the run up area, they have it setup and my beacon code.
 
evapilotaz said:
Glad I don't fly out of DVT.
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For DTO, it's actually pretty simple even with our busy Asian student activities.

As mentioned in other threads, the DTO tower crew is very good, especially at remembering your tail number, voice, and level of pilot skills. More than a few times, I've been offered services that got me in and out of their hair quickly because they new I could comply quickly and allow them to focus their concentration where needed.

DVT could be the same.
 
AggieMike88 said:
My description is exaggerated for humor, but it's essentially the idea. But once I get taxi clearance, I do ask for FF while I'm reading back the clearance. Usually by the time I'm entering the run up area, they have it setup and my beacon code.
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I do the same thing, I get a FF code from CD most all the time.
 
Captain said:
Settle down. Nobody loses situational awareness because someone else on the radio is speaking French in Canada, Spanish in Spain or mandarin in China. If you do then there is some mental issue going on.

Is it nice to hear and understand the other planes on the freq? Sure...but that doesn't mean you're lost without the radio.
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Once again you're absolutely WRONG "Captain" (oooh he's a captain).

Probably ten or twelve years ago a Continental 737-800 was coming in for a landing in a Central American country with isolated thunderstorms in the area. Unbeknown to them a micro burst existed right on the end of the runway that they were approaching. A local Spanish speaking airline had an MD-80 ahead of them on the same approach and encountered the windshear, reported the windshear and executed a go around ALL in Spanish. The Continental plane encountered the windshear and got a windshear alert just as they were touching down and because of the increased tailwind portion of the shear ended up going off the far end of the runway. Fortunately no one was injured but the aircraft was substantially damaged during the salvage effort. When the tower controller was asked why he did not report the windshear he replied "I thought he heard the previous aircraft report it but did not think he couldn't understand Spanish".

How do you make a mental picture of where traffic is if you DON'T UNDERSTAND the language they are speaking ?????? So - yeah it is kind of a big deal. I won't even go into trying to explain to a controller over Turkmenistan that we needed a slow descent because we though we might have a bomb on board. They only spoke "aviation english" and did not comprehend any thing outside of those kind of phrases.
 
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