421 down at SBS

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westslopeco

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Really sobering to me as I'm flying to SBS tomorrow. Luckily no one on he ground was killed, but I'm sure there are no survivors on board.

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Plane crashes into mobile home park in Steamboat Springs

A twin-engine Cessna 421 airplane crashed in Steamboat Springs at 4:23 p.m. Monday, setting fire to at least two homes and several structures in the West Acres Mobile Home Park. It is unknown how many...
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It's odd to me that they diverted to Steamboat and not HDN. Hayden has a 10,000' runway and FAR less terrain to deal with.
 
Was this the 421 that the engine would quit at idle?
 
"The flight data shows the aircraft circling in the vicinity of the airport for 25 minutes before the crash." Was he trying to burn off fuel before landing?
It also says "interpreters from Integrated Community were called to the scene". Did it crash in an ethnic neighborhood?
 
So... why does it feel like a significant proportion of twin accidents involve pilots in their 60s/70s? It's a subjective feeling, I haven't dug through the statistics yet.

Is it a case of "they're the only pilots who can afford one"? Or a case of "more likely to not properly handle an engine failure"?
 
AV8R_87 said:
So... why does it feel like a significant proportion of twin accidents involve pilots in their 60s/70s? It's a subjective feeling, I haven't dug through the statistics yet.

Is it a case of "they're the only pilots who can afford one"? Or a case of "more likely to not properly handle an engine failure"?
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I think there's more in play than couldn't handle a single engine failure. There were multiple attempts to give vectors for a visual landing. Once it was taken off autopilot things got dicey.

I suspect task saturation and still trying to diagnose/cure the hot cylinder rather than just getting the thing on the ground.
 
topgun260 said:
"The flight data shows the aircraft circling in the vicinity of the airport for 25 minutes before the crash." Was he trying to burn off fuel before landing?
It also says "interpreters from Integrated Community were called to the scene". Did it crash in an ethnic neighborhood?
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No, the Trailer Park is home to people from everywhere, including Steamboat Springs, who can't afford the crazy Real Estate price rises since the COVID days. I have a share of a Condo there that has tripled in value since then, so my Tax assessment has skyrocketed :rolleyes:
 
I agree - suspect it has to do with ownership demographics.

AV8R_87 said:
So... why does it feel like a significant proportion of twin accidents involve pilots in their 60s/70s? It's a subjective feeling, I haven't dug through the statistics yet.

Is it a case of "they're the only pilots who can afford one"? Or a case of "more likely to not properly handle an engine failure"?
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Maybe people go their entire career without an incident and then when one happens, you forgot your training? As we get older I notice that you become more wise in some areas but forgetful in others.

RIP
 
I guess that log book entries are somewhat optional in their detail. I am surprised that the flight review CFI did not record the aircraft used for that check ride. My various flight review CFI's did record my N number when they did mine.

Which is normal, and which is required? It would seem a checkride for multi engine would document that a registered multi engine plane was flown.

edited to add: They all recorded more time than they put in my log. I asked why? "My time starts when I start talking to you, your time starts when the engine starts, and similar for ending time."
 
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Not sure I’d buy that; incident distribution should (?) be pretty even. All things being equal the old guys should have survived more “stuff” than the youngsters, no?

I think twins are more deadly and complicated than singles, and if (!) they’re flown by a majority of older pilots it’s not that mysterious.
 
geezer said:
I guess that log book entries are somewhat optional in their detail. I am surprised that the flight review CFI did not record the aircraft used for that check ride. My various flight review CFI's did record my N number when they did mine.

Which is normal, and which is required? It would seem a checkride for multi engine would document that a registered multi engine plane was flown.
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If the instructor logged the flight in her own logbook, it should include the type and tail number, per 61.51.

It’s entirely possible that the instructor didn’t have her logbook handy during the phone conversation.
 
As Flying Keys keys noted, posted on wrong accident. Deleted

Thank you for your question.
 
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The choice of 666 for his N number is an interesting question, too. Was that related to an attitude? :cool:
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Are you confusing the 421 accident at SBS with the Citation accident at MYF? Or did this pilot have a 666 tail number, too?
 

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MauleSkinner said:
If the instructor logged the flight in her own logbook, it should include the type and tail number, per 61.51.

It’s entirely possible that the instructor didn’t have her logbook handy during the phone conversation.
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Exploring the blank logbook further.

I am pretty sure that every hour I flew is in my logs.

Not all my actual instrument is, though. Not quite current? Thin level clouds up high? File, and fly up through, and later back down, maybe 10 minutes actual instrument conditions? The log book is a permanent written record of the violation, the flight plan fades away and gone.

For a serious flyer with limited time to keep current, first no night loggable, then no instrument loggable, and finally, no multi loggable. Simply quit logging, and there is no proof of anything.

The FAA is unlikely to go back over his prior flight plans to see what his history of flight might be, and compare to the total time on the aircraft since he bought it.

Corrected comment for this accident.
 
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