3 stinking hours to change the oil on my bike!

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Took me forever to get the #@%!%$!!#@%!!! plastics off to get to the drain and filter. 3 hours of lying on the garage floor to do a 20 minute job. and I can't even use synthetics to do it less often. The down side of riding a hot Sport bike. That and no room to wipe up all the oil spilled out of the filter, so it will smoke and smell like burning oil for a few days.
 
Well if you owned a harley you would have saved a lot of time draining the oil, as it does that itself :rofl::rofl:
 
Well if you owned a harley you would have saved a lot of time draining the oil, as it does that itself :rofl::rofl:

As a teenager, I worked at a Suzuki, BSA, Triumph dealer as the guy who uncrated the bikes and assembled them before they went on the showroom floor. We always test fired the Suzukis. I was not even allowed to put oil in the British bikes because they would just leak all over the showroom floor, right out of the crate. I never could figure out what was so difficult about keeping the oil in an engine that the Brits just couldn't get.:dunno:
 
I thought this was going to be a thread like my 4 day 6 hour oil change (clutch needed replacing) ... or my 7 hour chain replacement (everything in the hard to get to dirty areas got a thorough cleaning)

For some reason I can't seem to fix anything without cleaning or fixing something else while things apart. I mean I'm already in there and don't have anything else to do that day so...the more pieces that come off, the more pieces that need to come off...... Kinda like Tom Downey's Fairchild annual.
 
Took me forever to get the #@%!%$!!#@%!!! plastics off to get to the drain and filter. 3 hours of lying on the garage floor to do a 20 minute job. and I can't even use synthetics to do it less often. The down side of riding a hot Sport bike. That and no room to wipe up all the oil spilled out of the filter, so it will smoke and smell like burning oil for a few days.

Why aren't synthetics an option? Clutch concerns?


Trapper John
 
As a teenager, I worked at a Suzuki, BSA, Triumph dealer as the guy who uncrated the bikes and assembled them before they went on the showroom floor. We always test fired the Suzukis. I was not even allowed to put oil in the British bikes because they would just leak all over the showroom floor, right out of the crate. I never could figure out what was so difficult about keeping the oil in an engine that the Brits just couldn't get.:dunno:

Oh, this one is simple. If you have worked at all with British cars, you know that they are made out of a metal that will turn to rust in short order if it is in the garage and you have a container of salt on your kitchen counter. This includes if you live in Arizona. The Brits, understanding this, then realized they needed to implement an anti-corrosion system that would enable the vehicles to last at least 5 years - just long enough for the first owner to sell them and buy a new one. The simple solution was to specifically engineer seals in the oiling system that would dispense oil onto the rust-prone components of the vehicle during operation.

A pleasant side effect of this is what you noticed - the engine will tell you when it needs oil because it has ceased leaking, and thus you know that the sump is now dry and in need of a top off.

In all seriousness, I haven't been able to figure it out, either, however newer British vehicles (made within the past 10-15 years) are significantly better. My '92 XJS still has the V12 originally designed in the 1960s, and still leaks as a result, but when I was a Jaguar mechanic it seemed that starting in about 1995 they got it significantly better. By the time Jaguar switched over to the V8 engine in '97-'98, they figured out how to make a relatively leak-proof engine.

Interestingly, I have reason to believe that Yamaha and Suzuki are still having problems with their motorcycles. When I was in the process of test riding motorcycles, I test rode a brand new Honda VTX with 0 miles on it. The bike was sitting on the showroom floor, and the guy pulled it out ready to go. When I went to go test ride the brand new Yamaha Stratoliner at the Yamaha dealer (which was a whole other story), they said the bikes on the showroom floor were not ready to ride, as they did not keep them with oil or batteries in them. That makes me suspicious - I have never otherwise been to a dealership where the vehicles on the showroom floor or lot weren't immediately ready to rock.

Michael, sucks on the oil change, but just think about how much money you save on therapists by riding your sport bike. :yes:

I've not noted that most motorcycles were designed with ease of maintenance in mind. And this comes from a veteran Jaguar mechanic. Doubly so on sport bikes or other bikes that have lots of fairings, hence my love of naked bikes and cruisers.
 
Oops, got a duplicate. How about a joke? How many Real Men does it take to change a light bulb? None, Real Men aren't afraid of the dark.
 
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Why aren't synthetics an option? Clutch concerns?


Trapper John

Yeah, I've read and been told by a mechanic that synthetics can't be used in bikes with wet clutches, which includes most Sport Bikes. Something about Molybdenum. I've never heard of anyone having a problem, but I'd rather not be the first.
 
Three hours to change the oil? Let's see ... 15 minutes to ride to the shop, 30 minutes to have them do the work, 5 minutes to pay the bill, 15 minutes home. Looks like I have you beat!!! :)
 
For cars Jiffy Lube makes good sense. I don't have my own lift or a floor jack, and it would be real pain even if I did. Bikes are really easy because the engine is usually out and accessible.

In my case, a mechanic wouldn't get the plastics off any faster, I can tell you that. Might get them on quicker. Still, the bill would be quite large, and they'd probably leave just as much oil on the pipes.
 
For cars Jiffy Lube makes good sense. I don't have my own lift or a floor jack, and it would be real pain even if I did. Bikes are really easy because the engine is usually out and accessible.

In my case, a mechanic wouldn't get the plastics off any faster, I can tell you that. Might get them on quicker. Still, the bill would be quite large, and they'd probably leave just as much oil on the pipes.
Yeah, I change my own oil on the bike, too. I was just yankin your chain.
 
Yeah, I've read and been told by a mechanic that synthetics can't be used in bikes with wet clutches, which includes most Sport Bikes. Something about Molybdenum. I've never heard of anyone having a problem, but I'd rather not be the first.

What a great reason to go buy a dry-clutch Ducati! The little bit of chatter is part of the experience. :D


Trapper John
 
What a great reason to go buy a dry-clutch Ducati! The little bit of chatter is part of the experience. :D


Trapper John

Except for the $600 valve job on the Duck:eek:

If you want a simple to work on bike with a dry clutch nothing beats an old Beemer Airhead.

`82 R-65 69,000+ miles and going strong
 
Except for the $600 valve job on the Duck:eek:

I've heard of people successfully doing the desmo valve adjustment themselves, supposedly a matter of keeping careful track of shim measurements/placement...haven't seen it done personally, though.

If you want a simple to work on bike with a dry clutch nothing beats an old Beemer Airhead.

`82 R-65 69,000+ miles and going strong
Indeed. I have an acquaintance with an R-65, late 70s vintage with over 140,000 miles. Amazingly reliable machine he's ridden from the midwest to Alaska and back twice!


Trapper John
 
Never had any trouble on my Nighthawk of any kind, nor any other Honda I'd ever owned. I just wanted something faster prior to my impending old age. Won't be too long before I can't bend enough for that thing. Just the first time I had to disassemble the bike for an oil change. Last time I spent 3 hours on a bike I removed, sanded, and painted the exhaust. That that wasn't even a Honda.
 
Never had any trouble on my Nighthawk of any kind, nor any other Honda I'd ever owned. I just wanted something faster prior to my impending old age. Won't be too long before I can't bend enough for that thing. Just the first time I had to disassemble the bike for an oil change. Last time I spent 3 hours on a bike I removed, sanded, and painted the exhaust. That that wasn't even a Honda.

What are you riding now?


Trapper John
 
Could be worse. My oil plug is *JB WELDED* into my oil pan right now which means that I need to replace the oil pan on the next change. sigh.
 
Jesse, Why'd you JB weld it???? I thought you found a replacement plug on your trip?
 
Could be worse. My oil plug is *JB WELDED* into my oil pan right now which means that I need to replace the oil pan on the next change. sigh.

Can you get the pan out without taking the engine loose from the frame? Maybe a heli-coil would be an option?


Trapper John
 
What are you riding now?


Trapper John

I have two bikes. One is a Honda 954rr, the one I did the oil change. It is fast as can be, faster even than my aircraft. Rode it this morning, despite the 35 degree weather. Gotta replace the battery on it. The other is a very old Honda Goldwing. I got it so I could take my wife riding. It may turn into a maintenance hog, as I've had the carburetors replaced, have to replace the fork seals, and the shaft drive is leaking.
 
Could be worse. My oil plug is *JB WELDED* into my oil pan right now which means that I need to replace the oil pan on the next change. sigh.

Yeah, really bad idea. Good idea next time you're out of town with a mx problem. Call a motorcycle dealer, and ask them for the part. Have them Fed Ex it to your hotel, pals house, whatever. The bike I changed the exhaust (old Kawasaki) I had a clutch cable break in the middle of Yosemite. Ordered a new one from a shop in Fresno, it was delivered the next day and I put it in at my campsite.

Sounds like you should drill out the plug. Did that once too when the damn bolt stripped.
 
I have two bikes. One is a Honda 954rr, the one I did the oil change. It is fast as can be, faster even than my aircraft. Rode it this morning, despite the 35 degree weather.

Wow, that definitely falls into the serious sport bike bike category! I had a VTR1000F Superhawk, which was a lot of fun and more bike than my riding skills warranted, but I then went to an RC-51, poor man's Ducati. The extra horsepower was great, and the suspension was a lot better, but I'm no Nicky Hayden, that's for sure.


Trapper John
 
It is fast as can be, faster even than my aircraft.

That doesn't take much. My Jag is faster than your aircraft, too, and it's definitely not fast as can be. :)

The problem is that when I get my Jag up to 70 mph and pull back on the steering wheel, nothing interesting happens. ;)

Of course, neither your bike nor my Jag can get away with traveling at the speed of your aircraft continuously, nor in a straight line, without getting into some sort of serious trouble, be it physical or legal.
 
Yeah, the RC51 is a really sweet bike. Not quite as fast as mine, but with my pathetic skills I doubt you would notice. RC51's make awesome track bikes, they respond to mods really, really well. If you ever decide to sell it you'll likely get a good price, those are sought after bikes and they didn't make that many.
 
Yeah, the RC51 is a really sweet bike. Not quite as fast as mine, but with my pathetic skills I doubt you would notice. RC51's make awesome track bikes, they respond to mods really, really well. If you ever decide to sell it you'll likely get a good price, those are sought after bikes and they didn't make that many.

Too late, unfortunately, that one's gone and I'm bikeless. I sure would like a Ducati Monster or an Aprilia Tuono...although I did see a Moto Guzzi recently that was really neat...hey Santa, you listening?


Trapper John
 
Jesse, Why'd you JB weld it???? I thought you found a replacement plug on your trip?

Can you get the pan out without taking the engine loose from the frame? Maybe a heli-coil would be an option?


Trapper John

Yeah, really bad idea. Good idea next time you're out of town with a mx problem. Call a motorcycle dealer, and ask them for the part. Have them Fed Ex it to your hotel, pals house, whatever. The bike I changed the exhaust (old Kawasaki) I had a clutch cable break in the middle of Yosemite. Ordered a new one from a shop in Fresno, it was delivered the next day and I put it in at my campsite.

Sounds like you should drill out the plug. Did that once too when the damn bolt stripped.

I did it on purpose. This wasn't on my trip where I lost it.

This was just awhile ago when I was changing the oil before going on another trip. I took the plug out and the oil pan threads came out with it. Damn steel plug in an aluminum pan. My options were to either try to helicoil it (wouldn't really want to do that without taking the pan off) or cancel the trip. I decided to just JB-WELD it in and replace the pan this winter.

It sounds worse then it really is. It looks like I can get the pan off without having to mess around with shifting the engine or taking it out. The pan is only like $130. I had already taken the time off work and it wasn't worth scrubbing the whole trip for me.
 
heck, next time just punch a hole in the pan, then patch it. no plugs required, and you don't need to replace the pan until it's so quilted with patches that you can't punch it anymore.

Call it FrankenPan for halloween.
 
Too late, unfortunately, that one's gone and I'm bikeless. I sure would like a Ducati Monster or an Aprilia Tuono...although I did see a Moto Guzzi recently that was really neat...hey Santa, you listening?


Trapper John

I still prefer Hondas. I know, they're not all that exotic. But they perform to perfection and rarely break.
 
I still prefer Hondas. I know, they're not all that exotic. But they perform to perfection and rarely break.

Sure, but when I'm on the side of the road with my broken Duck and a leggy, blonde nymph picks me up in her Ferrari 430, you'll be riding home home on your Honda and having to unload the dishwasher. :D


Trapper John
 
Jane sixpack doesn't know Ducati from my backside. Most folks just know when a bike looks cool to them.

I actually raced a sports car into Yosemite on that trip. It was a real cinematic kinda thing, except when we stopped neither was that impressed with the other. These days I'm sufficiently hitched that it really doesn't enter into the equation. I just want to go fast.
 
Took me forever to get the #@%!%$!!#@%!!! plastics off to get to the drain and filter. 3 hours of lying on the garage floor to do a 20 minute job. and I can't even use synthetics to do it less often. The down side of riding a hot Sport bike. That and no room to wipe up all the oil spilled out of the filter, so it will smoke and smell like burning oil for a few days.

I've got a guy runs a bike and NOS shop, when I leave town for a month at a time, I just leave it in his shop and have him do the service. This time he's rebuilding the forks too. I just can't be f-ed to do it anymore, and it gets me free secured indoor parking when I'm out of town. I'm also teaching him about building and tuning for nitromethane since I talked him into building a Fuel Bike:D. (should be fun to do a pass on a nitro burning 'Busa...:yes::yes::yes:;) )
 
Lucky you. I usually get raped by mechanics; that's why I started wrenching.

I started wrenching before I knew shops were death by boogaloo. I still have to deal with them on the rare occasion and I get the same treatment you do.

Nobody and I mean NOBODY except me touches my motorcycle. Other vehicles only get touched if I don't have the facilities or hardware to do it myself which is rapidly becoming minimal nowadays. Even then I'm breathing down the technicians neck like a starving vulture watching a dying meal...one wrong minor stumble and I pounce on them hard.
 
I had an old harley (1980 tourglide) that had an oil bath final drive... you basically had to disassemble the motorcycle from around the rear tire to change the tire. Took hours. Then I found a guy at a dealer that could do it in an hour. :D :D :D I was happy to pay that man, each and every time.

That oil bath worked, though. I never had to replace or even adjust the chain in almost 100,000 miles of riding, and when I took it off the last time, the sprockets were still as sharp edged as they were when new! :)
 
Lucky you. I usually get raped by mechanics; that's why I started wrenching.

Not lucky, I started turning wrenches at 8. I'm picky about who I use. When I go in, I already know what is wrong, what the parts cost, and about how long it should take to get done. If the person tries to BS me when I describe my situation and ask what they think is wrong and what it'll cost, I'm done there. Usually I can tell the score when I walk in the door before the talking ever starts.
 
I started wrenching when I was 25 because I had to. Bike doesn't work and its you only ride you fix it. If I was that good I wouldn't bother with mechanics for anything.
 
3 hr oil change isnt bad. ive got about 6 hrs invested into trying to get a fitting for a power steering line removed on my car. back at it again tonight...
 
For cars Jiffy Lube makes good sense. I don't have my own lift or a floor jack, and it would be real pain even if I did. Bikes are really easy because the engine is usually out and accessible.

In my case, a mechanic wouldn't get the plastics off any faster, I can tell you that. Might get them on quicker. Still, the bill would be quite large, and they'd probably leave just as much oil on the pipes.

Except when the pimply-faced Jiffy Lube "pro" ignores you saying not to check the air filter on the Mustang so you watch him tear your $29 cone filter into shreds trying to get it out (the alarm siren is the they way) so he can show you that, as designed, it has dirt on it.
 
I took the plug out and the oil pan threads came out with it. Damn steel plug in an aluminum pan.

Whoever put the plug in the last time over torqued it and stripped the threads. VERY easy to do on Japanese bikes, and a common thing to have happen. You MUST use a torque wrench, or have a VERY good feel for tightening the plug. Most of them are down in the 20-25ftlb range, which is easy to over do.
 
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