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Wonder why?Damn, there have been a lot of Cirrus accidents over the past couple months.
Damn, there have been a lot of Cirrus accidents over the past couple months.Wonder why?
3900 of them are listed as Deregistered in the FAA database. Almost 500 in 2013 alone.Pretty sure the Mooney fleet has been depleted over the years.
I don’t agree with him. There is nothing special about a 22. It’s an airplane. With proper training it’s no more difficult to fly than any other HP single. Just because a pilot gets in one close to receiving their pilots credentials does not mean they should not have been flying the airplane. Regardless of how much time or hours pass between certification and a step up to more capable aircraft the success of that step is dependent on training.Gryder did a video on this one, looks like he nails it to me, I won't post it here, but it's on youtube.
Looks like this guy got his ppl at the end of December and jumped into a 22. Not a good move in my book, but people do move into them like this and do well.
The 22 takes a lot of rudder when you go around low and slow, or coming off a bounce. Jamming the throttle makes it more feisty. It's certainly not hard or dangerous if you are proficient and understand the real need for right rudder. But if you let it catch you, torque and p-factor, it can kill you.
Unfortunately there are a lot of new pilots who want to fly fast with 100 or less hours under their belt, so this will probably happen again.
I don’t agree with him. There is nothing special about a 22. It’s an airplane. With proper training it’s no more difficult to fly than any other HP single. Just because a pilot gets in one close to receiving their pilots credentials does not mean they should not have been flying the airplane. Regardless of how much time or hours pass between certification and a step up to more capable aircraft the success of that step is dependent on training.
You guys watched Gryder enough to argue about whether or not he is right?
Wow. That’s too bad. Looks like he was flying the plane a lot at least recently and acquired around feb. while I’ve never flown a cirrus being a PoA member reading here makes me a mini-expert lol, but it sounds like they can be a handful on the go or if trying to land too fast. Just like any other high performance single in the 300hp range. The best safety features of any plane with Chute won’t help you in this situation.
For Cirrus drivers out there what’s it like with full flaps landing configuration and you decide to firewall it and go around and don’t get those flaps in?? For me in the 182 it can be a handful especially id your are trimmed for landing- It’ll balloon fast and speed will really disappear
If firewall the engine with full flaps, stall warning going off, and slow.
The speed picks up, the nose goes up a bit, the plane tilts to the right a bit. And then maintains that awkward angle until the pilot takes corrective action. If you do it really fast, the plane noses up a little bit more and comes back done some, never to level.
Within a minute you will pass Flap Extension speed.
To stall it with full flaps the pilot has to take active effort to raise the nose.
So in this case, Dan is full of sh**.
This is not a P51 with a huge engine, prop and small tail.
Tim
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I don't think Gryder was singling out the 22 at all, I heard him say high powered single, and you better be proficient. I think he got it right on this one.
I don’t watch his videos. You specifically mentioned the 22 in the post I quoted.
I still don’t think the total time matters. What matters is the quality of training and attitude of the pic.
With proper training that is plenty of time in my opinion.I don't think he was ragging on Cirrus, more on training and the fact these type of accidents keep happening. The guy in this accident had about 7 months of flying as a private pilot under his belt, if he is the guy I looked up. Draw your own conclusions I guess.
@PaulS
I have never bounced a plane on landing where I went up more than a few inches.
However, my old CFI, wanted me to be prepared, so we multiple times would abort the landing as the wheels touch, or when the stall warning goes off in the flair. I have slammed the throttle many times, never have I had an experience like you describe.
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With proper training that is plenty of time in my opinion.
What level of training did the pilot receive? What attitudes towards risk management did the PIC posses? The conclusion this pilot was in over their head is most likely a reasonable conclusion.Maybe, but this guy and a kid, died so maybe not.
What level of training did the pilot receive? What attitudes towards risk management did the PIC posses? The conclusion this pilot was in over their head is most likely a reasonable conclusion. Extending that to every pilot with seven months experience after a private checkride is not valid in my opinion.
I don’t agree with him. There is nothing special about a 22. It’s an airplane. With proper training it’s no more difficult to fly than any other HP single. Just because a pilot gets in one close to receiving their pilots credentials does not mean they should not have been flying the airplane. Regardless of how much time or hours pass between certification and a step up to more capable aircraft the success of that step is dependent on training.
If firewall the engine with full flaps, stall warning going off, and slow.
The speed picks up, the nose goes up a bit, the plane tilts to the right a bit.