1st flight lesson gets solo endorsment...

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  1. Bell206

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    Wow. Talk about throwing someone in the lake to teach'em how to swim! Much respect to the student, the tower, the flight instructor in the tower, and the student's wife. Remarkable story.
     
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    Impressive. I blame video games for the student’s extraordinary skill set.
     
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    Well, that's an experience he'll never forget. Glad it all came out okay...
     
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    I wonder whether the school billed him for the instructor in addition to the plane rental...
     
  6. Matthew Rogers

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    They probably billed him for the repairs to the flight instructor. He was fine when you took him out!
    Hope he had good renters insurance.
     
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    Now the real question for POA: can he log PIC?
     
  8. Matthew Rogers

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    That is interesting. Well, the instructor must have given the student implicit consent to act as PIC by his actions. Does an unconscious person count as a passenger or cargo (medical flight with an unconscious person for your long solo commercial XC)? Can you count it as solo hours or dual?
     
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    I think we need a ruling from @EdFred ....
     
  10. Unit74

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    If this was in the US, the FAA would be after him for flying w/o a solo endorsement AND carrying a passenger while doing so.... o_O
     
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    Log it? Well, he DID have an instructor with him and he was the primary manipulator of the controls.
     
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    I knew flight instructors were forcing students to take too much dual instruction.
     
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    I doubt I would fared as well. Kudos to the student pilot.
     
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    Good job by the student.
     
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    Wow. Cool story. If that would have been me on my first flight I’m sure the gear would have been shorn off on that 152. With an instructor I couldn’t stop trying to dig holes in runway with nose gear.
     
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    And empathy to the pilot who is now sans medical and probably for a long long time.
     
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    I’m sure the very first thought that crossed his mind after the instructor croaked, was whether or not he’d be able to log this flight as solo time.

    Glad he made it down safely!
     
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    The student is in violation of the law in 61.87 and should be punished


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    He should have landed 50 nm miles away so he could have logged it as X-C. :)
     
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    I was going to quote 91.3(b), but it looks like the student didn't meet the definition of "pilot in command" in FAR 1.1. I guess this is one of those situations where he just had to recognize that his goal was to live long enough to attend the hearing. ;)


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    I did not know that FAA regulations applied in Australia.

    :D

    Also as stated earlier, instructor was alive. Not a flight loggable flight.
     
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    OK fine, but then ATC should be prosecuted for giving flight instruction without a license. lol
     
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    What if ATC was also a CFI ??

    :eek:
     
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    Thoughts in order of priority.
    1. I hope the instructor is ok and makes a full recovery with no lasting ill effects.
    2. I do not envy the controller the shoes he had to wear that day. He did not sign up for that nor was he likely trained for that kind of scenario and he did an extraordinary job of it.
    3. That student did an amazing job. I hope he continues and finishes his training because he's got gifts that can't be taught.
     
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    [Slaps forehead!]
     
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    Ya got me.


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    I believe one of the news stories said another instructor from the school went to the tower and talked the student down.

    I know for a fact if that had been me, the airplane would not be reusable. Pretty amazing.
     
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    For me, at least the pilot seat would not be re-usable, nor would anyone else want to use it....:vomit: :lol:
     
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    Almost 30 posts on the thread and still no mention of a chute. There's hope for you guys after all.
     
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    I don’t know about the Aussie FAA, because but the US's FAA allows you to deviate from the FARs to the degree necessary to deal with an emergency. BTW I’m not a lawyer and don’t play one on the internet!
     
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    I just realized that I want the CFI who talked him down as my flight instructor.
     
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    Doesn't every ATC need at least a PPL?
     
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