122.75 air to air

Discussion in 'Change to my Frequency...' started by jd21476, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:15 PM.

  1. jd21476

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    I know that 122.75 is used for air to air and it works fine when Im in the San Diego area as I also hear other pilots from San Diego but when I head up north to like Temecula or Hemet and I broadcast on air to air it seems like I am the only one and I still only hear people from the San Diego area.

    I know there are more people flying around San Diego than up by Hemet but I have never heard anyone with a call out from anywhere Temecula and North. Why?
     
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    Because 122.75 is full of people who must report that they're "in the north practice area doing wifferdills at 3,000'" every 2 minutes. But, once you get away from civilization (where all the Part 141 schools are) people generally only use 122.75 to communicate air to air between 2 aircraft, and not mutliple calls in the blind to no one in particular.
     
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    Thats kind of what I figured.
     
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    Seems like you think announcing in a known practice area is a bad thing? Having ventured into the SD NE practice area recently for the first time in many years, I can tell you that 90% of the calls are not in the blind. Even with adsb, having positive comm with the 3 other planes in the area is a very good thing.

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    Or like today you hear a tail number that's vaguely familiar, but the destination sort of confirms it, ask ZMP for a request, ask if the tail number is a poa member and have them pop over to 122.75 because you haven't seen or talked to them in maybe 10 years.
     
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    It's not, but the only pilots on 122.75 are those specifically talking to each other or in a practice area that has a local custom like you mentioned...no one is typically monitoring it like a CB frequency like the OP is eluding to.
     
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    There is a terrible habit in San Diego of aircraft doing maneuvers on V23 and near various final approach courses, without talking to ATC for local advisories. When IFR or on FF, I frequently need to dial up 122.75 to tell airplanes that I can't see and seem to be completely oblivious that I'm there to watch out.
     
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    I'm being a little bit sarcastic. We have a lot of blather on the radios around here. I think about half of it is unnecessary. And, I don't believe it does much to enhance safety. I suspect that actively looking (outside not at the iPad) is much better that depending on someone to say "I'm here, but I may be there too".
     
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    Lots of practice offshore CRQ near v23 for sure. Also tons of practice approaches over OCN. Plus people wandering around ESCON at or about 3000' Busy airspace with lots of flight schools I always monitor SoCal.

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    To add, in SD there are 3 very busy practice areas, all yapping on .75. All within comm distance of each other.And all near heavily traveled corridors. That said, it's difficult to see the guy at 4500' practicing stalls when you're 2000' feet below doing ground reference. I personally appreciate the heads up call.

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    Monitor? How about talking to them?
     
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    You might be surprised at how many airplanes go past you with less than 2,500' of separation that you never even know about. ADS-B "in" is misleading. Its difficult to judge actual lateral separation. Vertical separation displayed always lags reality by at least a few seconds. And, closure rate is just impossible to know unless the pilot happens to mention his speed.

    Also, based on where people say they are and where they actually are if and when I see them, I don't trust other pilots to tell me exactly where they are anyway. The MkI Mod0 eyeball is still best.
     
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    My ADS-B In tells me other people's GS. My panel GPS tells me my GS.
     
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    I'm eyes up near the field ... problem I used to have, was aircraft closing on my 6:00 ...don't have that problem anymore in the RV7A;)
     
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    If everyone in the practice areas called SoCal with some expectation of services while in the practice area there would be nothing but unable, standby, or whatever. Monitoring increases situational awareness. You can even hear people IFR or FF and understand what they are up to before they hop on .75....

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    Except that literally every other practice area in SCT's airspace has a tradition of doing exactly that. And Mugu.
     
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    Forex student with questionable english proficiency: "San Diego East, Cessna XYZ .... NW ... SW..... I mean East of Alpine dirt patch .... doing maneuvers.... err Cherokee..."
    Insert multiple radio calls being stepped on for the next ten minutes
    Don't forget the Extra 300 doing acrobatics +-2000 feet down to 500 feet AGL over El Cap w/o making radio calls.

    It's a pretty reliable cast of characters down here.
     
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    What is “the practice area”? I can’t find it in the AIM or sectional.

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    A-293 NW of Daytona on a Sectional.
     
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    Is this where we stray off into another fruitful discussion about whether it is better to report minutes or miles from a known location?