“Seeking Insight on Navigating FAA HIMS Evaluation and Path to Third-Class Reinstatement”/ Just Took My First Step

Flyagain43

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Hey everyone,


I’m hoping to get this message in front of the right person or anyone who’s been through the FAA medical reinstatement or HIMS process.


Here’s my situation:


  • I have a 10-year clean driving record.
  • No DUI or drug convictions of any kind.
  • I have already started my Drug Alcohol Screen Even without picking a Doctor Yet..
  • I do not Drink or Drug

I’m just trying to understand what to expect as I move forward — what the most likely outcome might be, and if there are any recommended AMEs or HIMS doctors who are known to be able to move the process along without Emptying My Wallet.


I’ve seen a few different opinions online, but I know this community has a lot of firsthand experience. Any guidance, advice, or even just a name of someone I might reach out to would mean a lot.


Thanks in advance,
FlyAgain43
Private Pilot
 
Why are you needing a HIMS AME?
Mr. Longhorn,


Thank you very much for taking the time to reply — every bit of insight is a huge help.


To clarify my situation a bit: I did self-report a DUI (chemical test refusal) back in January 2015 and voluntarily surrendered my 3rd-class medical at that time. The FAA later sent a follow-up letter inquiring about the refusal and the details of the arrest. I’ll be honest — I was overwhelmed with everything back then, so I just put my wings down and walked away for a while.


From what I understand, the FAA issued what I believe was an administrative denial for non-response, not a suspension or revocation.


Since then, there have been four additional arrests, two of which were alcohol-related — but again, no alcohol or drug convictions of any kind. I guess you could say I have a knack for getting myself into (and thankfully out of) trouble.


I’m taking everything seriously this time around — clean record, no use, and total commitment to doing this right. Any thoughts on how the FAA might view this kind of administrative history, or advice on who I could talk to (HIMS AME or consultant), would mean a lot.


Thanks again,
Bryan
 
^^^ This, and why was the class 3 revoked? (I assume this based on the question of 'reinstatement'. Not enough information for guidance or experience to be offered.
Robin, Just Replied in the thread and hope you can see it...
 
oof. that sounds like a tough hill to climb. dr bruce helps tough cases but is rigorous about insisting on honesty. if u r trying to tap dance around a real alcoholic issue he’s not the guy. one more thing i believe the random screening has to be ordered by a hims ame to comply with requirements. I would get a list and find a local hims ame. or reach out to anthony ison flying lawyer. he knows this whole process inside and out. but it won’t be cheap
 
FlyAgain, based on the repetitive nature of your alcohol incidents and not really knowing the severity of each one, you'll likely be tagged with Dependence. What they require is what they require, but if you stick with it over the long haul you'll most likely get the 3rd Class. It won't be fast and it won't be cheap.

FWIW, I was charged with a single DUI in 2015 and tagged with "abuse." I was going to have to stop drinking for 2 years and then be cut loose. I gamed the system and got caught drinking after 1 year. I had a problem. FAA then put me in the dependence category (they didn't toss me out). I've been alcohol free for 7 years now, and I'm not really interested in pursuing a quest to prove I don't have a problem. That's a hard one to win.

If you're not drinking and know that it was a problem and could become a problem again, you should be good to go. It's the ones who think they don't have a problem that are unlikely to succeed with the FAA, even if they are correct.
 
If you are willing to follow the process fully, you have a good chance of getting a class 3 SI under the HIMS program. You may need to go through a treatment program, or at least be able to document regular 12 step meeting attendance and participation (having a sponsor and peers that can attest to your sobriety). If not, start attending meetings now and get a sponsor. Set up urinalysis/appropriate monitoring for your diagnosis after consultation with a HIMS AME. You will need a HIMS psychiatric evaluation, possibly a neurocognitive assessment. You will likely need 2 years of negative etoh/drug testing before a packet is submitted by the HIMS AME recommending a special issuance. Then the wait begins. These are all likely steps you will need to take; how committed are you? Feel free to pm me and we can talk offline.
 
Mr. Longhorn,


Thank you very much for taking the time to reply — every bit of insight is a huge help.


To clarify my situation a bit: I did self-report a DUI (chemical test refusal) back in January 2015 and voluntarily surrendered my 3rd-class medical at that time. The FAA later sent a follow-up letter inquiring about the refusal and the details of the arrest. I’ll be honest — I was overwhelmed with everything back then, so I just put my wings down and walked away for a while.


From what I understand, the FAA issued what I believe was an administrative denial for non-response, not a suspension or revocation.


Since then, there have been four additional arrests, two of which were alcohol-related — but again, no alcohol or drug convictions of any kind. I guess you could say I have a knack for getting myself into (and thankfully out of) trouble.


I’m taking everything seriously this time around — clean record, no use, and total commitment to doing this right. Any thoughts on how the FAA might view this kind of administrative history, or advice on who I could talk to (HIMS AME or consultant), would mean a lot.


Thanks again,
Bryan
Dude, you don’t gave a clean record. You likely have an implied consent suspension on your driving record which basically means you refused to cooperate with evidence collection during the investigation. Even if you don’t, you advised the FAA of the refusal and can’t unring the bell.
 
Dude, you don’t gave a clean record. You likely have an implied consent suspension on your driving record which basically means you refused to cooperate with evidence collection during the investigation. Even if you don’t, you advised the FAA of the refusal and can’t unring the bell.
Clip4, Thank you for helping to add to this discussion Indeed I would have had an implied consent on my record up to and including January of 2025, but the 10 year look back has now surpassed that. Correct I cannot unring the Bell. I had the Duty to Report and am very Glad I did otherwise License Revocation is and was on the table Thank you again for your input
 
If you are willing to follow the process fully, you have a good chance of getting a class 3 SI under the HIMS program. You may need to go through a treatment program, or at least be able to document regular 12 step meeting attendance and participation (having a sponsor and peers that can attest to your sobriety). If not, start attending meetings now and get a sponsor. Set up urinalysis/appropriate monitoring for your diagnosis after consultation with a HIMS AME. You will need a HIMS psychiatric evaluation, possibly a neurocognitive assessment. You will likely need 2 years of negative etoh/drug testing before a packet is submitted by the HIMS AME recommending a special issuance. Then the wait begins. These are all likely steps you will need to take; how committed are you? Feel free to pm me and we can talk offline.
Robin, Thank you very much for your very inciteful Response. I am already Tracking Precisely as you have prescribed in your response and will P.M. you Promptly.....
 
Mr. Longhorn,


Thank you very much for taking the time to reply — every bit of insight is a huge help.


To clarify my situation a bit: I did self-report a DUI (chemical test refusal) back in January 2015 and voluntarily surrendered my 3rd-class medical at that time. The FAA later sent a follow-up letter inquiring about the refusal and the details of the arrest. I’ll be honest — I was overwhelmed with everything back then, so I just put my wings down and walked away for a while.


From what I understand, the FAA issued what I believe was an administrative denial for non-response, not a suspension or revocation.


Since then, there have been four additional arrests, two of which were alcohol-related — but again, no alcohol or drug convictions of any kind. I guess you could say I have a knack for getting myself into (and thankfully out of) trouble.


I’m taking everything seriously this time around — clean record, no use, and total commitment to doing this right. Any thoughts on how the FAA might view this kind of administrative history, or advice on who I could talk to (HIMS AME or consultant), would mean a lot.


Thanks again,
Bryan
I'm no expert, but based upon what you have shared and my experience, I'd agree with some of the others that you will be labeled alcohol dependent. If you can substantiate your sobriety, maybe they won't make you do an IOP our intensive inpatient treatment for alcohol. I'd say you're likely at least in for the HIMS process including neurocog testing, psych eval and HIMS monitoring for 6+ months before they will look at an application for SI.

I'd budget 12-18 months and at least $5K in costs, closer to $8K-$10K if you need some sort of treatment.

Good luck!
 
FlyAgain, based on the repetitive nature of your alcohol incidents and not really knowing the severity of each one, you'll likely be tagged with Dependence. What they require is what they require, but if you stick with it over the long haul you'll most likely get the 3rd Class. It won't be fast and it won't be cheap.

FWIW, I was charged with a single DUI in 2015 and tagged with "abuse." I was going to have to stop drinking for 2 years and then be cut loose. I gamed the system and got caught drinking after 1 year. I had a problem. FAA then put me in the dependence category (they didn't toss me out). I've been alcohol free for 7 years now, and I'm not really interested in pursuing a quest to prove I don't have a problem. That's a hard one to win.

If you're not drinking and know that it was a problem and could become a problem again, you should be good to go. It's the ones who think they don't have a problem that are unlikely to succeed with the FAA, even if they are correct.
Thank you for sharing your story — it really helps guide my understanding of how I may be perceived and how far I’ll need to go to assure the FAA that I’m safe and fit to fly again.


I am "Adamant", I am Sober and abstinent from alcohol and do not ingest drugs. I’m absolutely committed to keeping it that way — this isn’t something I take lightly.


I can and will demonstrate my stability and will provide


  • Six months of clean monthly urine screens
  • Documentation of all prior “alcohol-related” arrests, all of which concluded with no convictions
  • A 10-year clean driving record
  • And a personal letter of reference from someone reputable who can attest to my continued sobriety and responsible lifestyle

I’m hopeful that by presenting evidence of my abstinence I will NOT be labeled as “dependence” Even though the "Alleged Offenses" said otherwise.


Again, I really appreciate your time and perspective. Every bit of experience shared helps me navigate this process.
 
…To clarify my situation a bit: I did self-report a DUI (chemical test refusal) back in January 2015 and voluntarily surrendered my 3rd-class medical at that time. ….
Since then, there have been four additional arrests, two of which were alcohol-related — but again, no alcohol or drug convictions of any kind….
The arrests are the triggers for a reportable alcohol related event. You have two or more alcohol related events in your life time, so you will fall into condition D of the disposition table.


You will most likely need proven, lifetime sobriety going forward. You are likely facing two or more years of monitoring while your application is being decisioned. You likely will need a board certified psychiatric evaluation in addition to all the arrest and court documents, among other things.

You can view the list of things the FAA will likely require at the link below.

 
Can you explain the difference between abstinence and recovery?
Have you been logging continuous peer support?
Whomever is doing your testing- is that entity capable of testifying as to the grequrency anf randommness (to you) of the testing? (...or it DOESN'T COUNT)

flyingagain43 said:
Since then, there have been four additional arrests, two of which were alcohol-related — but again, no alcohol or drug convictions of any kind. I guess you could say I have a knack for getting myself into (and thankfully out of) trouble.

With multiple events (it's about the arrests and publically doucmented behavior, not conviction nor expungements, and tehy can be 50 years ago as far as FAA cares) you will need full creditable rehab. I am talking Talbott, Valley Hope, Hazelden...and followed by logging AA 2x/weeks, weekly group aftercare, FAA MRO documented testing and then some very expensive expert evaluations....and that goes on for quite some time after.....

As to the other arrests, "personality disorder" is also on the table....and "personality disorder multiple acts" is grounding, too.
 
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Mr. Longhorn,


Thank you very much for taking the time to reply — every bit of insight is a huge help.


To clarify my situation a bit: I did self-report a DUI (chemical test refusal) back in January 2015 and voluntarily surrendered my 3rd-class medical at that time. The FAA later sent a follow-up letter inquiring about the refusal and the details of the arrest. I’ll be honest — I was overwhelmed with everything back then, so I just put my wings down and walked away for a while.


From what I understand, the FAA issued what I believe was an administrative denial for non-response, not a suspension or revocation.


Since then, there have been four additional arrests, two of which were alcohol-related — but again, no alcohol or drug convictions of any kind. I guess you could say I have a knack for getting myself into (and thankfully out of) trouble.


I’m taking everything seriously this time around — clean record, no use, and total commitment to doing this right. Any thoughts on how the FAA might view this kind of administrative history, or advice on who I could talk to (HIMS AME or consultant), would mean a lot.


Thanks again,
Bryan
So have you been sober for ten years or just haven't been caught in ten years? As Bruce wrote, step 1 will be documented treatment and sobriety. And anything else that's in your medical records will come out.
 
So have you been sober for ten years or just haven't been caught in ten years? As Bruce wrote, step 1 will be documented treatment and sobriety. And anything else that's in your medical records will come out.
Mr. Linburgh,


Please note that I have not claimed to be sober for the past ten years. My statement referred specifically to maintaining a clean driving record during that period — meaning no speeding tickets, reckless driving, refusals of chemical tests, etc....


I have also affirmed my current status of abstinence and my confidence in my ability to remain abstinent moving forward.


Thank you as well for your perspective and guidance on this matter.


Respectfully,
FlyAgain43
 
Mr. Linburgh,


Please note that I have not claimed to be sober for the past ten years. My statement referred specifically to maintaining a clean driving record during that period — meaning no speeding tickets, reckless driving, refusals of chemical tests, etc....


I have also affirmed my current status of abstinence and my confidence in my ability to remain abstinent moving forward.


Thank you as well for your perspective and guidance on this matter.


Respectfully,
FlyAgain43
Your responses on this thread have been elegantly crafted and distinctly evasive. That pattern will get you nowhere fast with the FAA. Good luck.
 
"Medical Review Officer." They review and evaluate drug testing results.

Absolutely not used or required by hims. Nor are they even trained to evaluate alcohol biomarker tests, so even if they were (used), have no clue what they’re looking at.

FAA MRO documented testing isn’t a thing unless you’re talking 14cfr120, which we’re not. No hims testing is even legal under that reg.
 
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I would:
Start interviewing HIMS AME’s and find one who has their documentation and responsiveness up to speed. They may say some things you don’t want to hear, but also be wary of a relationship that doesn’t feel right. Strap an airliner on and go see ‘em in person. Pay for their time. It should be somewhat reasonable, cost-wise.
Costs:
Treatment $5-50k, Psych $3-5k, Neuro $3-5k, testing $1500/yr, aftercare $3500/yr. Plus the HIMS AME, $1k-yr to 1k per HOUR. Expect to repeat at least one of the evals, and be in the game for two or more years.

Good luck. It will behoove you to come to grips with your entire history ASAP, because the FAA will see it all. That said people can and do change and are successful at this.
 
What is that?
You're amazingly uniformed as to how the backsides work....even though you've apparently been through it.

Somebody known to FAA, has to testify that the testing was really random with respect to the airman and met the frequency standards; that the substitution of a hair PETH or a blood peth for an ETG was legitimate and gave no "testing holiday" e.g nondetection window, to the application.
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There’s a chance you might be able to get away with doing an Intensive outpatient for 8-12 weeks instead of having to go to full blown inpatient treatment for 30-60 days.

You’re looking at atleast 2-3 years until you’ll get a medical certificate and there is no doubt in my mind you will be labeled alcohol dependent by the faa.

Find an honest HIMS AME. Some of the ones that are out there look at you as a piggy bank and will drain you of all your money if you’re not careful.
 
I am late to this party, no pun intended, but I'd like to share my experience and hope that this helps. I am in the HIMS program. I was inducted into the HIMS program after an impressive DUI with a .23 BAC. I didn't have a current medical at the time of my DUI as my previous one had expired after I paused my flying for 5 years. I had no prior criminal record, a clean driving record and was an upstanding citizen in a career of public safety. I knew it was going to be a long process so I went in to an AME for a third class medical so that they could defer it and get the process started. I received certified mail from the FAA requesting a personal statement, police & court records, treatment records, AA attendance meetings that were not court ordered but voluntary, Etc. I was a " social drinker" where my drinking was infrequent but binge drinking and black-outs happened frequently when I did go out. After 9 months, I received a Denial for reasoning of Substance Dependence. With what I know now, I wouldn't have gone to an AME to defer my application and would have immediately began working with a HIMS AME which would have saved me 9 valuable months.

I am a year into the HIMS program and have over 12 months of sobriety. I have my psychiatric evaluation coming up, which is the last part before my HIMS AME can complete my package and submit it to the FAA for consideration of a special issuance. I am expecting the review process to take anywhere from 9 to 12+ months to go through the review and to hear a verdict. I began working with my HIMS AME in February 2025. Initial start-up cost for my HIMS AME was $3,500. I meet with him once every 3 months (half can be virtual). My denial letter stated that a minimum of an Intensive Outpatient Program (IOP) must be completed, therefore I registered and completed an IOP program that met the requirements. During IOP, I was alcohol/drug tested once per week via urine sample at a lab. After completion of my IOP, I began attending the required weekly aftercare group meetings that were fortunately priced into my overall IOP program cost of $8,000. I also attended the required 90 AA/Smart Recovery meetings in my first 90 days after completing IOP. You also are expected to attend 3-4 AA meetings every week after completing your 90 meetings in 90 days after IOP or Residential Treatment. My AME also set me up with SOBERLINK where I blow into a breathalyzer twice a day (Morning/Night). The Soberlink initial start-up cost for the device was $400 with a monthly monitoring subscription of $124 per month. The FAA wants to see 6 months from completion of treatment to your HIMS neuropsychologist & HIMS psychiatrist evaluations. These are highly specialized individuals and there are not too many of them around so keep that in mind when scheduling. Between the amount of time of the FAA sending your medical records to each specialist and getting an appointment, could tack on quite a bit more time to the process. The neuropsychologist is an intense 8 hour cog-screen test and the cost was $3500. The psychiatrist evaluation cost $3500 as well.

So far I have been in the HIMS program for 12 months fulfilling daily/weekly/monthly requirements and expect another 9 to 12+ months before hearing if I get a special issuance or if further monitoring/proof is required. It has cost me $20,388 out of pocket up to this point, which will continue to accrue through the years as once you are deemed substance dependent by the FAA, you are in the HIMS program for the rest of your flying life. There is a step-down plan that reduces the monitoring requirements/costs associated with said monitoring requirements but you are a lifer in the program and must remain sober from all alcohol and mind-altering substances for the rest of your flying life.

You must fully commit to the program and a life of sobriety because if you don't, the FAA and the HIMS specialists will see right through your BS and you will waste your time and money. In fact these specialists are so busy with committed individuals that if they don't feel that you are fully committed they will not even entertain working with you. You must fully accept the fact that you are in the program for a reason and the quicker that you accept it and open up your mind the more pleasant it becomes. Who knows, you may even realize you needed it.... Alcohol Use Disorder comes in all shapes & Sizes. Good luck to anyone that finds themselves in this situation. I am thankful for the chance to regain my flying privileges and I'll never take it for granted again.
 
...To clarify my situation a bit: I did self-report a DUI (chemical test refusal) back in January 2015 and voluntarily surrendered my 3rd-class medical at that time. The FAA later sent a follow-up letter inquiring about the refusal and the details of the arrest. I’ll be honest — I was overwhelmed with everything back then, so I just put my wings down and walked away for a while.

From what I understand, the FAA issued what I believe was an administrative denial for non-response, nota suspension or revocation.

Hi Flyagain. Just seeking clarification. I'm not familiar with "administrative denial for non-response." It sounds like FAA requested additional info pursuant to your CFR 61.15 MVA report(s) but you did not respond at the time? Is this equivalent to denial of a medical application? Or did you submit a medical application at some point? I'm considering alternative paths you could explore but denial of a medical application would make you ineligible.
 
I am late to this party, no pun intended, but I'd like to share my experience and hope that this helps. I am in the HIMS program. I was inducted into the HIMS program after an impressive DUI with a .23 BAC. I didn't have a current medical at the time of my DUI as my previous one had expired after I paused my flying for 5 years. I had no prior criminal record, a clean driving record and was an upstanding citizen in a career of public safety. I knew it was going to be a long process so I went in to an AME for a third class medical so that they could defer it and get the process started. I received certified mail from the FAA requesting a personal statement, police & court records, treatment records, AA attendance meetings that were not court ordered but voluntary, Etc. I was a " social drinker" where my drinking was infrequent but binge drinking and black-outs happened frequently when I did go out. After 9 months, I received a Denial for reasoning of Substance Dependence. With what I know now, I wouldn't have gone to an AME to defer my application and would have immediately began working with a HIMS AME which would have saved me 9 valuable months.

I am a year into the HIMS program and have over 12 months of sobriety. I have my psychiatric evaluation coming up, which is the last part before my HIMS AME can complete my package and submit it to the FAA for consideration of a special issuance. I am expecting the review process to take anywhere from 9 to 12+ months to go through the review and to hear a verdict. I began working with my HIMS AME in February 2025. Initial start-up cost for my HIMS AME was $3,500. I meet with him once every 3 months (half can be virtual). My denial letter stated that a minimum of an Intensive Outpatient Program (IOP) must be completed, therefore I registered and completed an IOP program that met the requirements. During IOP, I was alcohol/drug tested once per week via urine sample at a lab. After completion of my IOP, I began attending the required weekly aftercare group meetings that were fortunately priced into my overall IOP program cost of $8,000. I also attended the required 90 AA/Smart Recovery meetings in my first 90 days after completing IOP. You also are expected to attend 3-4 AA meetings every week after completing your 90 meetings in 90 days after IOP or Residential Treatment. My AME also set me up with SOBERLINK where I blow into a breathalyzer twice a day (Morning/Night). The Soberlink initial start-up cost for the device was $400 with a monthly monitoring subscription of $124 per month. The FAA wants to see 6 months from completion of treatment to your HIMS neuropsychologist & HIMS psychiatrist evaluations. These are highly specialized individuals and there are not too many of them around so keep that in mind when scheduling. Between the amount of time of the FAA sending your medical records to each specialist and getting an appointment, could tack on quite a bit more time to the process. The neuropsychologist is an intense 8 hour cog-screen test and the cost was $3500. The psychiatrist evaluation cost $3500 as well.

So far I have been in the HIMS program for 12 months fulfilling daily/weekly/monthly requirements and expect another 9 to 12+ months before hearing if I get a special issuance or if further monitoring/proof is required. It has cost me $20,388 out of pocket up to this point, which will continue to accrue through the years as once you are deemed substance dependent by the FAA, you are in the HIMS program for the rest of your flying life. There is a step-down plan that reduces the monitoring requirements/costs associated with said monitoring requirements but you are a lifer in the program and must remain sober from all alcohol and mind-altering substances for the rest of your flying life.

You must fully commit to the program and a life of sobriety because if you don't, the FAA and the HIMS specialists will see right through your BS and you will waste your time and money. In fact these specialists are so busy with committed individuals that if they don't feel that you are fully committed they will not even entertain working with you. You must fully accept the fact that you are in the program for a reason and the quicker that you accept it and open up your mind the more pleasant it becomes. Who knows, you may even realize you needed it.... Alcohol Use Disorder comes in all shapes & Sizes. Good luck to anyone that finds themselves in this situation. I am thankful for the chance to regain my flying privileges and I'll never take it for granted again.
great summary. thank u and good luck!
 
I am late to this party, no pun intended, but I'd like to share my experience and hope that this helps. I am in the HIMS program. I was inducted into the HIMS program after an impressive DUI with a .23 BAC. I didn't have a current medical at the time of my DUI as my previous one had expired after I paused my flying for 5 years. I had no prior criminal record, a clean driving record and was an upstanding citizen in a career of public safety. I knew it was going to be a long process so I went in to an AME for a third class medical so that they could defer it and get the process started. I received certified mail from the FAA requesting a personal statement, police & court records, treatment records, AA attendance meetings that were not court ordered but voluntary, Etc. I was a " social drinker" where my drinking was infrequent but binge drinking and black-outs happened frequently when I did go out. After 9 months, I received a Denial for reasoning of Substance Dependence. With what I know now, I wouldn't have gone to an AME to defer my application and would have immediately began working with a HIMS AME which would have saved me 9 valuable months.

I am a year into the HIMS program and have over 12 months of sobriety. I have my psychiatric evaluation coming up, which is the last part before my HIMS AME can complete my package and submit it to the FAA for consideration of a special issuance. I am expecting the review process to take anywhere from 9 to 12+ months to go through the review and to hear a verdict. I began working with my HIMS AME in February 2025. Initial start-up cost for my HIMS AME was $3,500. I meet with him once every 3 months (half can be virtual). My denial letter stated that a minimum of an Intensive Outpatient Program (IOP) must be completed, therefore I registered and completed an IOP program that met the requirements. During IOP, I was alcohol/drug tested once per week via urine sample at a lab. After completion of my IOP, I began attending the required weekly aftercare group meetings that were fortunately priced into my overall IOP program cost of $8,000. I also attended the required 90 AA/Smart Recovery meetings in my first 90 days after completing IOP. You also are expected to attend 3-4 AA meetings every week after completing your 90 meetings in 90 days after IOP or Residential Treatment. My AME also set me up with SOBERLINK where I blow into a breathalyzer twice a day (Morning/Night). The Soberlink initial start-up cost for the device was $400 with a monthly monitoring subscription of $124 per month. The FAA wants to see 6 months from completion of treatment to your HIMS neuropsychologist & HIMS psychiatrist evaluations. These are highly specialized individuals and there are not too many of them around so keep that in mind when scheduling. Between the amount of time of the FAA sending your medical records to each specialist and getting an appointment, could tack on quite a bit more time to the process. The neuropsychologist is an intense 8 hour cog-screen test and the cost was $3500. The psychiatrist evaluation cost $3500 as well.

So far I have been in the HIMS program for 12 months fulfilling daily/weekly/monthly requirements and expect another 9 to 12+ months before hearing if I get a special issuance or if further monitoring/proof is required. It has cost me $20,388 out of pocket up to this point, which will continue to accrue through the years as once you are deemed substance dependent by the FAA, you are in the HIMS program for the rest of your flying life. There is a step-down plan that reduces the monitoring requirements/costs associated with said monitoring requirements but you are a lifer in the program and must remain sober from all alcohol and mind-altering substances for the rest of your flying life.

You must fully commit to the program and a life of sobriety because if you don't, the FAA and the HIMS specialists will see right through your BS and you will waste your time and money. In fact these specialists are so busy with committed individuals that if they don't feel that you are fully committed they will not even entertain working with you. You must fully accept the fact that you are in the program for a reason and the quicker that you accept it and open up your mind the more pleasant it becomes. Who knows, you may even realize you needed it.... Alcohol Use Disorder comes in all shapes & Sizes. Good luck to anyone that finds themselves in this situation. I am thankful for the chance to regain my flying privileges and I'll never take it for granted again.
Congratulations on your journey. Unfortunately it sure seems like the FAA and the individuals involved are taking advantage of a situation. It should not be this costly and timely to get your medical back especially if your career depended/finances depend on your medical.
 
Congratulations on your journey. Unfortunately it sure seems like the FAA and the individuals involved are taking advantage of a situation. It should not be this costly and timely to get your medical back especially if your career depended/finances depend on your medical.
This is for a third class medical for private/recreational use (for now) So I am not a priority to the FAA and just grateful that I’ll get a second chance…. As far as the cost, I live in one of the highest cost of living areas so the HIMS specialists that are conveniently a short distance charge the going rate for the area. My nueropsych evaluation/ cognitive-screen was done with the local NFL teams’ Dr. so I knew what I was getting myself into. My HIMS team has a lot of experience and it’s a peace of mind knowing that it’ll get done correctly the first time to avoid the time delay of a back and forth situation. From all my research, my timeline and cost of the program is right in line with the majority of the experiences that I’ve read up on for substance dependence cases.
 
Hi Flyagain. Just seeking clarification. I'm not familiar with "administrative denial for non-response." It sounds like FAA requested additional info pursuant to your CFR 61.15 MVA report(s) but you did not respond at the time? Is this equivalent to denial of a medical application? Or did you submit a medical application at some point? I'm considering alternative paths you could explore but denial of a medical application would make you ineligible.
If you don’t provide the FAA the information they demand by the time they set, by law they have to deny the applications and you get to start all over again.

This is why it pays to have a consult before providing your application confirmation number to an AME. The consult should allow you to understand what documentation is required and what can be submitted with the application so that you can be issued as quickly as possible.
 
If you don’t provide the FAA the information they demand by the time they set, by law they have to deny the applications and you get to start all over again.

This is why it pays to have a consult before providing your application confirmation number to an AME. The consult should allow you to understand what documentation is required and what can be submitted with the application so that you can be issued as quickly as possible.

Understood. I was seeking to better understand OP's situation.

"...To clarify my situation a bit: I did self-report a DUI (chemical test refusal) back in January 2015 and voluntarily surrendered my 3rd-class medical at that time. The FAA later sent a follow-up letter inquiring about the refusal and the details of the arrest. I’ll be honest — I was overwhelmed with everything back then, so I just put my wings down and walked away for a while.


From what I understand, the FAA issued what I believe was an administrative denial for non-response, not a suspension or revocation."

So I'm guessing that:

-He complied with CFR 61.15 reporting his motor vehicle action(s).

-He held a 3rd Class medical at the time and voluntarily surrendered it.

-Subsequently he received a letter from FAA demanding additional information triggered by either his MVA report and/or surrender of his medical certificate.

-The details are unclear, but he states somehow he learned FAA issued an "admimistrative denial for non-response." I infer that OP did not respond to FAA's additional info demand, but I don't see if he actually applied for a medical certificate in here somewhere (?) so I'm curious what FAA was "denying" if he didn't submit an application. Unless somehow they were denying voluntary surrender of his medical?

Though it appears unlikely, I was considering if he might be eligible for BasicMed or Sport Pilot, depending if this "administrative denial" equates to a conventional medical application denial. Sounds like it, but I'm not familiar. However, though it sounds like his medical was not revoked or suspended, he did voluntarily surrender it.

Anyway, just trying to clarify his circumstances to consider what options might still be available to him.
 
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