After reading part 61.45 and 61.129 all I understand is that the commercial requirements in 2012 is 10 hours of training in a complex. Does this mean you can take a checkride in a fixed gear airplane as long as the training requirements are met?
....but the current PTS do not require demonstration of a retractable gear landing. Only "if applicable" for all maneuvers.
http://www.faa.gov/training_testing/testing/airmen/test_standards/pilot/media/FAA-S-8081-12C.pdf
I noticed that, but isnt page 9 referring to 14 CFR 61.45? #s 1, 2, & 3 are all referred to in 61.45, but #4 is not. That's why I'm confused.
As it says in 61.45(b)(1)(i):The PTS says its required, don't know whether I want to start arguing minutiae with the FAA.
Since the PTS requires a complex plane for the Takeoff and Landing, and Emergency Procedures Areas, that makes a complex airplane a regulatory requirement.(b) Required equipment (other than controls).
(1) Except as provided in paragraph (b)(2) of this section, an aircraft used for a practical test must have--
(i) The equipment for each area of operation required for the practical test;
Actually, what they have is an "exemption," not a "waiver," but that's a difference important only to the lawyers.Diamond has a waiver for the DA42 as it has no prop control.
About ten years ago, Diamond proposed a gear-simulating DA40 to the FAA for use as a complex trainer and commercial/CFI practical test platform. It included a gear handle hooked to a small drag brake to simulate the drag and pitch changes when the gear is lowered, along with a gear warning horn. One important advantage would be that it would remain insured as a fixed gear airplane -- a big money-saving point for training providers. The FAA chose not to accept the proposal.There is a 'gear simlator' for the DA40,( a landing gear switch wired to the flaps and a horn) but I don't believe it is used in the US.
Actually, what they have is an "exemption," not a "waiver," but that's a difference important only to the lawyers.
It's not a stretch at all -- that's exactly the term for what they issued when it was originally done back around 2004, IIRC, and it was specific to the DA42. The change to Part 61 creating the new definition of a "complex airplane" was made several years later, in 2009, IIRC, allowing other planes with those characteristics to be considered "complex."I think it's a stretch to call it an exemption. The regulations were changed to include FADEC as a complex airplane.
There are still those inside the FAA who want it, but the level opposition to the proposal was totally unexpected.So I guess the NPRM replacing the 10 hours of complex with advanced IFR training is dead?
I just had a meeting with my CFI and examiner. COMPLEX AIRCRAFT IS NOT REQUIRED FOR A COMMERCIAL CHECKRIDE. Flying a complex aircraft only requires an endorsement, not an FAA checkout. A pilot can have a commercial certificate and never fly a complex aircraft. -Words from the examiner. Complex is only required if the pilot does not already have a complex endorsement.
What R U doin? If this confuses U, then U need to look for another career. Like bein a lawyer, or some other twister of reality truth.I noticed that, but isnt page 9 referring to 14 CFR 61.45? #s 1, 2, & 3 are all referred to in 61.45, but #4 is not. That's why I'm confused.
For Christ sake, a Commercial Pilot in a 150? Get outa here! Whaddaya tryn to do? really?
I'm getting a chuckle out of imagining someone as tall as Greg in a 150.
If the paperwork arrives at OKC showing an initial Commercial-Airplane was conducted without using a complex airplane, the temporary certificate issued by the examiner will be ordered returned, a new practical test will be directed, and the examiner at a minimum will be called in for a discussion with his/her POI and at worst have his/her designation revoked.I just had a meeting with my CFI and examiner. COMPLEX AIRCRAFT IS NOT REQUIRED FOR A COMMERCIAL CHECKRIDE. Flying a complex aircraft only requires an endorsement, not an FAA checkout. A pilot can have a commercial certificate and never fly a complex aircraft. -Words from the examiner. Complex is only required if the pilot does not already have a complex endorsement.
So did I, and no other plane was involved. But that was in 1972, when it was still legal to do it that way.I did mine in a 150.
See, he snuck that in way in the bottom, which isn't cute.And a Cutlass.
I want some of whatever you guys are smoking...I just had a meeting with my CFI and examiner. COMPLEX AIRCRAFT IS NOT REQUIRED FOR A COMMERCIAL CHECKRIDE. Flying a complex aircraft only requires an endorsement, not an FAA checkout. A pilot can have a commercial certificate and never fly a complex aircraft. -Words from the examiner. Complex is only required if the pilot does not already have a complex endorsement.
I did mine in a 150 and a 177RGI did mine in a 150.
And a Cutlass.