Flying_Nun
Line Up and Wait
I'm interested in these devices. Has anyone used one or checked them out at OSH?
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Foreflight has indicated they have NO plans on supporting the Sagetech. It seems the connection between Foreflight and Appareo is deep enough that Foreflight likely won't support any competitive products for ADS-B. The Dual AV guys said they sent an XGPS170 to Foreflight for evaluation but don't hold out hope since Foreflight is inclined to push the Stratus because of business tie-ins.
Yeah I talked to the Dual folks too. I thought it was sad they had what looked like a nice little box and no software partners yet.
I talked to a few vendors at OSH. Everything is proprietary, and seems to be getting more so. There is nothing that works on both FF and WingX at this time or that anyone was hinting at.It seems both the Sage and Dual devices work with WingX, i1000 and a few others...but neither with FF.
Are there standard data transport formats for ADS-B data, like NMEA for GPS? Or is everything proprietary after it hits the receiver?
Their website says they do not start shipping until Sept 30th. I'm interested in one too.
Missed the part about when they would ship. Know they've been available for order for a couple of weeks.
Regarding the Dual box, did they give any indication about cost? Last time I checked there was nothing on their site. I've got the 150 and like it well enough.
$799. Same as Stratus.
Went back to the Dual web site and found it buried in the FAQs. Also found that they will be offering some sort of trade-up program if you own a 150.
New ship date is March 29, 2013. Very disappointing but the reasons given were to ensure a top quality product.
http://www.sagetechcorp.com/general-aviation-solutions/clarity-ads-b.cfm#.UFsynKN5mSM
It seems both the Sage and Dual devices work with WingX, i1000 and a few others...but neither with FF.
Are there standard data transport formats for ADS-B data, like NMEA for GPS? Or is everything proprietary after it hits the receiver?
Right on Loren.
A software manufacturer requiring an exclusive with a hardware manufacturer is a sticky tactic, for their benefit only. It has been too easy to fire FF and hire WingX, etc., and binding hardware to their software platforms will make that option cost prohibitive.
We should think twice before buying hardware that will only work with one software product. It will promote poor quality in the long run.
Right on Loren.
A software manufacturer requiring an exclusive with a hardware manufacturer is a sticky tactic, for their benefit only. It has been too easy to fire FF and hire WingX, etc., and binding hardware to their software platforms will make that option cost prohibitive.
We should think twice before buying hardware that will only work with one software product. It will promote poor quality in the long run.
Aviation consumers have been buying within that model for years. Just ask Garmin.
The reality is that FIS-B and TIS-B provide the same information to all receivers, so the point of differentiation becomes the software. Picking a software package based on the hardware is exactly backwards. The hardware is a commodity, the software does the work.
JKG
What you elude to with Garmin is different than what Foreflight and WingX are dealing with.
In technology company development there are several steps that must be made. The first is "Crossing the Chasm," which involves developing the product and the market to a point where they are widely accepted. The final step is "On Main Street," where the technology is the defacto standard and is mature. Garmin is on "Main Street." FF and WingX are in the process of "Crossing the Chasm."
I'm not talking about market position, but about the practice of tying an application to proprietary hardware. To my knowledge, there was never a time when Garmin did not do that and, for that matter, the same is true of their present and historical competitors.
Regarding portable ADS-B and tablet apps, Garmin most certain is not "On Main Street," they are behind. Whether they will catch up or become a market leader in this area remains to be seen.
In the case of ForeFlight vs. WingX, I don't see an advantage of one over the other when it comes to hardware. If there is one, the advantage probably goes to ForeFlight, which is more tightly integrated with Stratus and (if you want hardware independence) can also use XM. In either case, if ForeFlight or WingX goes belly-up, you can't take your hardware (Stratus, Clarity, SkyRadar, etc.) to the other, nor will it work with apps like Garmin Pilot, since Garmin has their own ADS-B receiver (which, of course, won't work with anyone else's app).
Ironically, if you want to make an app decision based on hardware, I suppose that the strongest case could be made for Garmin. If they pull the plug on Pilot, or never clean it up, you can always use the GDL39 with one of their portable GPS units.
I don't see anyone out there at the moment who is producing a top-quality, hardware-independent app.
JKG
Garmin buys FF or WingX. The other limps along with a small market share or is acquired by Jepp/AOPA/etc.
Only one problem with that... They built their own. That means they already decided against that tactic for now.