no, you won't get it.
only time there is overflying is when there is a prearranged agreement like the loc rwy 4 at elp you have to go into Mx.
no, you won't get it.
only time there is overflying is when there is a prearranged agreement like the loc rwy 4 at elp you have to go into Mx.
http://www.findaircraft.com/services/insurance/territorial.html said:When traveling to Mexico, the Mexican government does not recognize your policy issued by a U.S. aviation insurance underwriter. As a result, you must have proof of Mexican liability insurance in your possession, issued through a Mexican insurance company. Some U.S. underwriters purchase these certificates from a Mexican insurance company and include them with your U.S. issued policy at no additional cost to you. Some underwriters will sell this certificate to you at a premium that will just cover their cost. Others do not provide the service at all. Check with your agent if you are not sure about Mexican liability coverage.
I know it's already been answered, but I'll also mention that insurance may be an issue. I believe that you must have liability coverage by a Mexican company.
YesCan I fly through elpaso from KOZA via:
v198 to arizona
The regs say otherwise, but I guarantee you dozens of vfr flights go through the tight space between the south end of the Franklins and the Mexican border over the Asarco stacks every day without a flight plan. Its just not a reg that is enforced. Silly regs are that way! Maybe MikeElPaso can comment.without being on a flight plan
same as above. You will be "violating" a rule that no one cares about.or violating defense airspace?
no, you won't get it.
only time there is overflying is when there is a prearranged agreement like the loc rwy 4 at elp you have to go into Mx.
Show me the Regs that state that!
If you know me you realize I am not a Regulation-Monger. I am much more interested in practical aviation; what people do, and what works.
There are many airports along the border that you have to do as you say, I myself have done it many times (overfly Mexico while in the pattern). That is what is done and that is what works. No one will say anything.
In the OPs situation he is talking about a cross country that will spend an hour overflying Mexico and will go dozens of miles south of the border. In my experience, and what other pilots tell me, that will not work. I would love to know it's changed and does work - but so far, no one has told me of such a thing.
Quite a bit of misinformation so far.
If you cross the contiguous ADIZ, which you will on a flight across the Mexican border, you must be on a DVFR or IFR flight plan and have a discrete transponder code. You must be in contact with US ATC when crossing the border into the US. This can include FSS, not necessarily an approach controller.
For any flight crossing the ADIZ, your airplane must display 12 inch rgistration numbers.
There is no current requirement for a 406 MHz ELT in either the US or Mexico now. Mexico has announced an effective date of this requirement in April 2010, although it has been delayed several times already.
You do not need Mexican insurance for an overflight. Even if you land in Mexico, all you need to show is that you have sufficient liability insurance that has territorial coverage in Mexico. The required amount is somewhere in the $2-300,000 range, and it need not be written by a Mexican company. Again, this has nothing to do for an overflight, but in case of accident, you would want to be sure your insurance does cover you in Mexico.
So to answer your original question, yes you can do that flight. File a flight plan with FSS (no DVFR's accepted via DUAT anymore), and get a transponder code from FSS when you open your flight plan. Advise FSS you will monitor their frequency, and always monitor 121.5. It is really that simple.
Jon
Yes, but "what works" is irrelevant.
Quite a bit of misinformation so far.
When approaching Elpaso (defense area). Can I just ask ELP approach for advisories and fly on through? Or should I file an IFR flight plan from OZA to get through that area?
Spike, there is something written in the regs or the aim addressing this....basically parrotting the already-accepted provision that a pic may do whatever is necessary for the safety of flight. Ie don't fly into the TZ.
However, I would not expect a 'pat on the back and home you go'. If you violate the airspace to a significant degree, you will likely have the authorities (FAA, customs, etc) to deal with....and if you actually land in Mexico I would not be surprised if you spent time examining the insides of one of their fine criminal restraint establishments.
And everyone will be probably be examining your decision, with the attitude of "how did you get yourself in that situation?".
I have no past cases or even discussions with anyone involved to base the above on, its merely conjecture on my part.
I called El Paso atct 915 774-9400 and talked to a nice controller there.
He says that in the El Paso area, you can deviate over Mexico for a thunderstorm if you are talking to them and get their approval. They have a local agreement with Juarez and can coordinate with them.
He said you might get that from abq ctr in similar circumstances (talking to them and have a clearance to do so) but they probably would not like it.
My conjecture above about violations stands, if you just do it without anyone's permission.
And he said flying in the ADIZ is not a problem, they don't really care.
Went and got that straight from the source, good job!
You'll probably be chided now from someone here for not following "forum protocol" and listening to all the second and third hand "guesstimates" on what someone should actually do.
What slight inconvenience that might be is nothing compared to what I had to deal with in my northeast days. On a flight from Vermont to New Jersey, you get a clearance via Rhode Island. Look at the map...it's not on the way.
What surprises me is that days into a thread about flying over Mexico, no-one has chimed in about how dangerous it is.
Jon
It isn't, but usually as soon as the word Mexico appears, someone points out the astounding number of drug murders in the border cities, plane thefts and highjackings, with the implication that one must be crazy to even fly over the country.
I was saying I'm just surprised that comment hadn't shown up yet.
Jon