Greg Bockelman
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Can someone PLEASE tell me what the practical purpose of this garbage is?
The government that sent Mohammed Atta his ATP with congratulations 2 months after he hit the WTC wants to make sure that YOU never do it again...of course!
The TSA requirement is about money out of your pocket if you don't comply. Make sure that all of your students have given you a copy of the Birth Certificate or Passport before you begin flight training or you could end up with a $10,000 fine per student.
This is about money, take it seriously
And current procedures will prevent this HOW???
Greg: when I went to recurrent training at a sim place recently, they wanted a passport. Didn't matter that I could be PIC with my airman's cert., DL and medical, but to fly a sim, now, that's another matter. No new rating. What's interesting, is the way I read that reg., that's not required, but everyone is in butt covering mode.
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Dave
Does it apply if I only do Flight reviews? How about IPC's? Aircraft checkouts? I am NOT providing primary training.
Can someone PLEASE tell me what the practical purpose of this garbage is?
No.. it only applies if they are receiving training for a rating they do not hold.
Try telling that to a TSA "agent". They are much like FAA inspectors in that each one interprets the rules differently, and each office has it's own set of rules.
Whenever a flight instructor takes on a student working towards any of the following certificates or ratings, the flight instructor must verify and document the citizenship or authorization of the student BEFORE providing any flight instruction:
* Recreational Pilot
* Sport Pilot
* Private Pilot
* Instrument Rating
* Multiengine Rating
Interesting that neither Commercial nor Flight Instructor are included!Well, I have found the following from two different sources, although I can't seem to find it straight from the TSA's mouth, so to say.
Whenever a flight instructor takes on a student working towards any of the following certificates or ratings, the flight instructor must verify and document the citizenship or authorization of the student BEFORE providing any flight instruction:
* Recreational Pilot
* Sport Pilot
* Private Pilot
* Instrument Rating
* Multiengine Rating
greg im pretty sure all CFIs have to do the training, regardless of what type of instruction they do. the good news is it is worthless training that is self endorsed and untraceable.
I didn't check my dad's birth certificate or passport.
I didn't check my dad's birth certificate or passport.
Interesting that neither Commercial nor Flight Instructor are included!
on that count, i can understand your frustration. my understanding is only what i have read from the AOPA guide which is the same as you posted a few posts ago. inital certificate, instrument and multi ratings require the passport.
The big issue with this (and this from someone who needs TSA approval for training as one of those nasty Canadians) is that the TSA could make this dirt-simple for everyone with a little thought.
Instead of the current system of having to register through a CFI/School, then get approval for each training event, with a ton of paperwork and $130 each time, why not allow aliens to apply to the TSA for an flight training card, with their pic on it and whatever biometrics are the fad this week. Then all the CFI needs to know is "Student needs passport/birth certificate or TSA Alien Flight Student Card" period. Students could change instructors whenever you wanted (can't now without running the paperwork and $130 shuffle again). Recordkeeping for the CFI would be dirt simple (know that endorsemen you have about having your passport or birth certificate verified by the CFI...I don't have one of those, but I do have a multi-page "Permission to initiate training" that the flight school has to keep forever)
The TSA doesn't have a line item in their budget for "TSA Alien Flight Student Cards".