+1 to that!The sun in your face on landing is no joke...
Pffft! Can't do that in my Luscombe!Guy in 04R needed a change of underwear. LOL.
Shows why it’s never a “bad thing” to back up even a “VFR”/“Visual” approach with a precision approach loaded in, or the fancy Garmin centerline extension and fake glide path stuff in the panel when you’ve got it.
+1 to that!
Very much apples to oranges in comparison. You can still drive your car with the late day setting sun in your eyes, right? I’ve never been so blinded that I couldn’t see the runway, it just creates an added level of difficulty, but nothing that isn’t easily manageable.Just a question on ADM here. If you're flying VFR and do not have an approach loaded (or don't even have the equipment to do so), the sun is in your face as described, and if you couldn't see the numbers and the threshhold, why would you continue the approach and not go around? Wouldn't this be the same as not being able to make out the runway because of being below visibility minimums? Just thinking that the angle of the sun is going to change by the time you get through the pattern, or at the very longest in 10 to 15 minutes.
Wow. I can’t blame 04R for being shaken up. I’m not sure I’ve been in this situation but I suppose sometimes CAVU can still be IMC. Sometimes at night I load the approach just to verify I’m landing at the right place...perhaps something to consider this when landing into the sun as well.
I am reminded of that horrific crash at HHR? when that T28 ran over the C150...
Not really. There are definitely scenerios where the sun could line up just right that it would make seeing the runway or landing zone nearly impossible. This would be the perfect time for a go around. If there was enough glare that you weren't able to see what lane you were in while driving down the road, I would hope you would have enough common sense to pull over and clean your windshield. The same thing isn't really possible in the plane so your next available option would be to go around and hope the sun had moved a bit before your next try or pick a different runway.Very much apples to oranges in comparison. You can still drive your car with the late day setting sun in your eyes, right? I’ve never been so blinded, that I couldn’t see the runway, it just creates an added level of difficulty, but nothing that isn’t easily manageable.
Yes, those situations can happen and it’s the pilot’s responsibility to discontinue the approach if it cannot be safely made, but that’s not what I was suggesting in the first post at all. Let’s not create a mountain from a mole hill here.Not really. There are definitely scenerios where the sun could line up just right that it would make seeing the runway or landing zone nearly impossible. This would be the perfect time for a go around. If there was enough glare that you weren't able to see what lane you were in while driving down the road, I would hope you would have enough common sense to pull over and clean your windshield. The same thing isn't really possible in the plane so your next available option would be to go around and hope the sun had moved a bit before your next try or pick a different runway.
Man, don’t argue with management.Not really. There are definitely scenerios where the sun could line up just right that it would make seeing the runway or landing zone nearly impossible. This would be the perfect time for a go around. If there was enough glare that you weren't able to see what lane you were in while driving down the road, I would hope you would have enough common sense to pull over and clean your windshield. The same thing isn't really possible in the plane so your next available option would be to go around and hope the sun had moved a bit before your next try or pick a different runway.
lolMan, don’t argue with management.Just saying. Don’t tug on Superman’s cape.
[sarcasm]
Used to happen with regularity at the old Denver Stapleton airport. There were four parallel hunks of concrete from North to south: 25, 26R, Taxiway C, and 26L A TI (I think it was at the time) flight even managed to land on the taxiway with airline president Frank Lorenzo aboard. Eventually the approach plates were marked with a warning not to mistake C for the 26R.Here's the similar incident with Air Canada at San Francisco. Came very close to landing on several airliners waiting for departure.
There are definitely scenarios where the sun could line up just right that it would make seeing the runway or landing zone nearly impossible. This would be the perfect time for a go around.
They seemed to be standing around discussing something for about a half an hour lending me to wonder if they knew how to spell "X".
Clearly they haven’t flown with Aspen
we actually havent seen a thread for the aspen red X in a while, I thought that was a old story (and a old joke on POA) and resolved a while back.Not to derail this thread, but I have been flying behind an EFD1000 Pro Max for several months with no issues. Then two days ago after landing and taxiing to parking, I looked down and saw the dreaded red X... Looks like a call to the avionics shop is in order. D'oh!
from what i can recall, if the ram air is blocked (ice on the Pitot?) the red x shows upGoing to do some research on the red X before calling avionics shops... initial searching shows there may have actually been an issue. I got the Check Pitot Heat annunciation along with the X. Wonder if maybe there was an interruption of ram air or something on the ground? It was also really cold....
I just had that happen. As it turns out, the red X was indicating that the ADAHRS on my trusty old Advanced Flight 4500 has died. $4000+ later, a 5400 is on the way as we speak. I hope to put it in this weekend.Not to derail this thread, but I have been flying behind an EFD1000 Pro Max for several months with no issues. Then two days ago after landing and taxiing to parking, I looked down and saw the dreaded red X... Looks like a call to the avionics shop is in order. D'oh!
from what i can recall, if the ram air is blocked (ice on the Pitot?) the red x shows up
D'oh! Sorry man.I just had that happen. As it turns out, the red X was indicating that the ADAHRS on my trusty old Advanced Flight 4500 has died
Probably a blessing. The 4500 was 10 years old. It's the curse of modern avionics...replacement becomes an ongoing maintenance expense that has to be planned for. OTOH, most of the flight instruments on the FBO's training 172M's are the same gauges the plane came with.D'oh! Sorry man.
that shouldnt be the cause, but i am not at all familiar with aspen and the failure modes. its highly unlikely that red x would show up just because you are moving slow or on the groundIs it possible if there isn't enough ram pressure it will cause the issue??