Most people would assume that you were level to begin with. If you were going to assume otherwise, it should have been stated.
The Piaggio P.180 Avanti is the only production [now former production] plane that has a "lifting body" fuselage.
So your entire argument is based on an assumption that your psychic powers tell you is valid?
In post 4 you made a statement of fact that the turn does not have to be level. But it has to be something. Your earlier statement, "Load factor in a 45 degree bank turn is 1.41," is incomplete. Load factor in some 45 degree banked turns in 1.41. One of the conditions that makes that true is a coordinated level turn. So you are indeed making assumptions. And you're attacking someone for making different assumptions.
Sure. But, it’s worth understanding that you can avoid that increased load if you let the nose drop.
But that's not what load factor is. It's sort of like saying, I can lose weight just by sitting in a chair if I stop eating.
I lost track in the back and forths what you mean to say, actually. Are you saying that a turning glider has less 'g's than a power plane, since it's always descending (even when rising in an air bubble)? Or that a 60° banked spiral has less than two 'g's? Do you think "unloading" the wing to prevent stalling when turning final will still allow you to roll out lined up with the runway? None of those are true.
If anyone doubst this, they should take a bathroom scale and find an elevator, preferably a fast express elevator, and stand on that scale and see what it says at rest, when the elevator starts and stops both upward and downward, and during a steady rate of ascent or descent. I haven't done it but I sure know that once that elevator has established its climb or descent I sure don't weigh any more or less.
That fact was never in dispute by me.
Good lord. I shouldn’t have said never, yes, that was inaccurate, and I admitted as much over a day ago.
Student pilot here..... But does centrifical force have any thing to do with weight /wing loading ?
Yes, and you can break off the wings by loading them with forces, whatever those forces are named.
Not really. The "load" on the wing is 100% due to aerodynamics forces and 0% due to gravity and centripetal acceleration. What happens when you let go of the rope? The aerodynamic forces are the equivalent of the rope except that they depend only on what you do with the yoke.
If you accelerated upward at 9.8 meters per second per second and there was no gravity it would feel the same as if there was gravity. The force you feel from gravity feEls as if it is pushing down. The force you would feel from accelerating upwards in the absence of gravity would also feel like it's pushing down. The vectors are different but what you feel (momentum or resistance to) is the same.
Lift is 1/2 * density * velocity squared * coefficient of lift. Erasing gravity won't change any of those numbers. The lift generated by the wing moving through the air will be the same. Since gravity is pulling your butt down at 32.2 ft/sec^2 the wing (in level flight) is generating enough lift to counteract that. Turn off gravity, lift doesn't change, now you are accelerating your butt upward at 32.3 ft/sec^2. If you had your eyes closed, you would never feel the difference.
Essentially, you are claiming that the observation that Einstein made that lead him to the General Theory of Relativity is incorrect...
yup. The published wing loading is a number on a piece of paper that you can use to compare one airplane to another. Has nothing to do with anything that happens in flight.
The causality happens because of what the pilot does. Changing gravity (if that were possible) would not change the lift without the pilot (or trim) changing the angle of attack in response.
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Whell, my thought experiment crashed and I need search and rescue.
So you were slower on the up line faster on the down line because of gravity and had to change your pull on the top and bottom to compensate. With gravity off, you would no longer have the speed changes and making the loop round would involve sitting there with the stick in one position. You could pick any G load you wish.
Ah, I think I see. If I would have been equipped with auto-throttles for maintaining a constant airspeed and been trimmed hands off my 'g' load at the bottom might have been, say, two 'g's with zero at the top prior to the repeal, and one and one after, just like you predicted! Thank you!
Stall speed.
