New Aviation Security Regulations - No more ADCUS

Richard said:
Where in this is due process? And is travel outside the country now to be considered probable cause for search, siezure, or detainment?
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Sure. Try running past the TSA at the airport or try to sneak past customs on the way back in. Both of these fall in the "how to get your ass kicked by the police" category.
 
jesse said:
Sure. Try running past the TSA at the airport or try to sneak past customs on the way back in. Both of these fall in the "how to get your ass kicked by the police" category.
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This does prompt an interesting question.

Is it written anywhere in the CFRs you waive your Fourth Amendment rights by attempting to board a commercial aircraft or any aircraft? Or, any common carriage for that matter.

Barristers?
 
EdFred said:
I say F em. I'll have my passport with me, and they can just deal with me leaving or not leaving. I'm not asking for the goverment's f'ing permission.
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You look good in orange. Let us know what the FBO at Gitmo is like ;);)

But I hear ya. Welcome to the new and improved USA
 
EdFred said:
Actually, I thought of a much better idea. Just get everyone to submit their information, and then cancel because "something came up". Then wait an hour. Send the info again, maybe change a passenger name, then cancel because "something came up." Wait an hour, repeat ad infinitum.

Being in a border state, I'm probably just going to be a huge pain in the ass about it. If they ask why, I'll say because I never know when I want to fly to Windsor to see some titties so I always need to be ready to go. I'm a single guy, I have needs. You don't like it, rescind this stupid requirement. I'm just complying with the rules.
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Somewhere sitting in my desk I have a copy of the new regulation for Michigan baoters (soon to be everyoen else) on what they most do to go near Canada on the water. What is being proposed for us airplane drivers is already in place for the boaters. It is still wrong but this government could care less about letting people in who should not be here and yet cares more about letting back in and out the people who have legitimate reasons to travel.
 
EdFred said:
If they ask why, I'll say because I never know when I want to fly to Windsor to see some titties so I always need to be ready to go. I'm a single guy, I have needs.
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Hmmm... sex tour. That'll get you extra attention from CBP, probably added to some kind of watch list.
 
Sounds like the rules are a done deal, regardless of comments:

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2008-03-03-chertoff_N.htm?csp=34

Chertoff also said he plans to impose stricter rules this year on U.S.-bound private jets to try to prevent terrorists from sneaking in "a nuclear bomb or (radioactive) dirty bomb or biological weapons."

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Chertoff's department is about to issue requirements for crews and passengers of private jets to provide their names, birthdates and other information an hour before takeoff, so they can be checked against terrorist watch lists.

The next step could be requiring that private jets be scanned and passengers screened by U.S. Customs agents overseas, Chertoff said. The procedures might be "a little inconvenient," he said, but if a bomb got into the USA on a private jet, there would be calls to "shut all private aviation off."
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Chertoff dismissed the concern. If a person isn't cleared into the nation's airspace by aviation authorities, "you will not make it into the U.S. without being greeted by a couple of F-16s," he said.
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BOHICA
 
Chertoff also said he plans to impose stricter rules this year on U.S.-bound private jets to try to prevent terrorists from sneaking in "a nuclear bomb or (radioactive) dirty bomb or biological weapons."
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Last week for the first time when, when the US Customs inspector approached the airplane he first walked all the way around it with a little square handheld box. I asked him later what he was trying to detect and he said "radiation".

Rules for chartered airplanes both inbound and outbound have tightened up recently and it appears that this trend will continue and expand to private aircraft too.
 
Everskyward said:
Rules for chartered airplanes both inbound and outbound have tightened up recently and it appears that this trend will continue and expand to private aircraft too.
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Our government. Determined to increase hassles until it puts an end to aviation in this country, private or airlines....
 
Everskyward said:
Last week for the first time when, when the US Customs inspector approached the airplane he first walked all the way around it with a little square handheld box. I asked him later what he was trying to detect and he said "radiation".

Rules for chartered airplanes both inbound and outbound have tightened up recently and it appears that this trend will continue and expand to private aircraft too.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23488720/

Yep. Radiation screening to be done at gateway airports outside the US.

More hassles.
 
Good thing we didn't let those terrorists change the way we live our lives here.
 
So far this is no big deal. I was in Panama on Saturday, and the owner told us at 3 pm he wanted to fly back that night. We planned to clear customs in Key West (KEYW). Customs offers 24/7 service there, but the office is not staffed. You make an appointment, and they send people out.

I called the number to make the reservation with 5 hour notice, and they told me no problem, just call if there's a change. We did have trouble getting fuel, so I had to call them again and change from a 10:30pm arrival to 12:30. I was again told "no problem" and thanked for advising them.

We actually arrived at 1am. (We had to fly around Cuba, because there was no way to get a last minute overfly permit on a Saturday evening:no::(.) There were two customs people waiting for us. They were polite and even slightly friendly. One agent had the little radiation box. They didn't look at any of the luggage, only made us open a satellite phone.

Obviously they looked at our passports and had us fill out the regular entry forms.

We weren't there more than 20 minutes. Overall a good experience.
 
tonycondon said:
lance - jealous!
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Tony, this is just a tiny fraction of what went on this trip. Frankly, it's so unbelievable I'm embarrased to post. (Now at 34 jet hours logged:goofy:)
 
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