islandboy
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Thanks for the offer but @NealRomeoGolf but we are okay. I'll settle for us buying each other a round one day.@Radar Contact you need pizza too? I’ll buy.
It is amazing that you can be forced to work (to include 6 days a week with mandatory OT) and not be paid. If you're not going to pay me at least let me not come in so I can go flight instruct, shovel driveways or something on the side.
Thanks for the offer but I'm okay for now. If this keeps on going on for a long time, I'll be taking you up on that!
It is amazing that you can be forced to work (to include 6 days a week with mandatory OT) and not be paid. If you're not going to pay me at least let me not come in so I can go flight instruct, shovel driveways or something on the side.
My brother was saying, when his back pay hits, it’s gonna be big. Overtime and 3 holidays so far. He said his savings will last a year, so he’s not too worried.
Well, your pay is deferred, not deleted. In any case, folks who aren't working at all will be paid their full $$, which I disagree with. Only pay those who worked.Thanks for the offer but I'm okay for now. If this keeps on going on for a long time, I'll be taking you up on that!
It is amazing that you can be forced to work (to include 6 days a week with mandatory OT) and not be paid. If you're not going to pay me at least let me not come in so I can go flight instruct, shovel driveways or something on the side.
I understand a bad situation if you are a controller, but is it literally “forced to”? Can you quit the job if you want to?
I am also curious — is it disclosed in the contract before one starts that this can happen? Or is this some kind of trick in the arrangements with the FAA?
I’m one of the lucky ones that’s deemed non-essential in my office due to not being fully qualified yet. So I’m able to collect unemployment unlike my colleagues. I think it’s unfair to be forcing a large majority of federal employees to work to smooth the shutdown for the public.
At any rate if this goes much longer then we’ll start seeing issues as essential employees are no longer able to make ends meet. A month without pay is very hard on a large swath of our county.
I’m one of the lucky ones that’s deemed non-essential in my office due to not being fully qualified yet. So I’m able to collect unemployment unlike my colleagues. I think it’s unfair to be forcing a large majority of federal employees to work to smooth the shutdown for the public.
At any rate if this goes much longer then we’ll start seeing issues as essential employees are no longer able to make ends meet. A month without pay is very hard on a large swath of our county.
If back pay is done, how does the unemployment pay work? Do you have to pay it back? Not being belligerent, just wondering.
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I may be the silly one in the room...the notion of thinking that I deserve to be paid as agreed (bi-weekly) for the work that I provide...
I've avoided pretty much all of these shutdown/ATC threads as I knew better than stepping into this. A couple years ago @NealRomeoGolf , whom I only knew from a few post here, needed to swing over to pick up his plane. Rather than have someone drive him several hours around the state, I offered to help a fellow pilot fly up to grab his plane. He simply made a nice gesture here and I stupidly walked into this. I should have just PM'ed him back and stayed out of this. That said, here we go.
I stand corrected, I am not forced in the sense that I can't quit. Sure, I could quit. Quit a job that I've trained/worked 18 years at. If I tell them sorry, I can't come to work and not get paid...I'm going to go work at ------------ till this is over so I can provide for my family, they will fire me on the spot. It's not like being an engineer/pilot/attorney/etc...I can't go anywhere else and do what I do.
So yes, in my opinion I'm being forced to work without pay. I understand you may not see it that way and I'm okay with that.
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To those that say, "pfff controllers are well paid, if they can't go 6 months without a pay check then that's on them". I say, that is incredibly dismissive of what life throws at people. Yes, please no one shed a tear for me, I'm okay for a while. However, some of my fellow co-workers have had life rear its ugly head. How about the ones who have recently gone through divorces not of their faults that cleaned them out or the ones who spouse has cancer and hasn't been able to work for a long time or the one who's kid has a serious illness that insurance doesn't cover much of their treatments? There are many more stories that I'm sure will be lost on the naysayers that will figure out how this is ultimately their faults.
I may be the silly one in the room...the notion of thinking that I deserve to be paid as agreed (bi-weekly) for the work that I provide...
I may be the silly one in the room...the notion of thinking that I deserve to be paid as agreed (bi-weekly) for the work that I provide...
If back pay is done, how does the unemployment pay work? Do you have to pay it back? Not being belligerent, just wondering.
You will be paid, and you know that. The challenge is cash flow.
In the grand scheme of things, Im going to say this falls into the category of we should should know better.
I dealt with more than a couple of these as an active duty military officer in my career. With a non-working spouse and two kids. While deployed to a combat zone at times.
From day 1, I’ve known the political winds can impact when and how I’m paid and whether or not I would even be employed.
Having said that, life happens. I’m sure everyone that life happened to was fiscally responsible, had no debt, and kept 3-6 months income replacement in the bank.
Like me, you will get a fat check once the appropriations are approved.
It sucks. Been there, done that. But to say we never could expect this to happen, and to never expect it to happen, and to not plan for it to happen, that’s foolish.