CrimsonFlyer
Pre-Flight
1) Questions for Bay Area folks: I was departing KPAO, requesting left downwind departure and flight following to KSNS. On left downwind, KPAO tower handed me off to KNUQ. KNUQ tower gave me altitude restrictions and asked me to stay clear of San Jose class C airspace. But I wanted to go through Charlie, so...
Me: "Cherokee 33M requesting Pruneyard transition." [This way point is inside Charlie]
KNUQ: "Cherokee 33M, contact Norcal xxx.xx"
Me: "xxx.xx, 33M" then "Norcal, Cherokee 1133M, three thousand"
Norcal: "N1133M, at or below three thousand five hundred, stay clear of the Bravo." [Bravo is above Charlie.]
Me: "At or below three thousand five hundred, stay clear of the Bravo, 33M. And are we cleared to enter San Jose Charlie?"
Norcal [sounding extremely annoyed]: "You're talking to me." And he didn't say anything more.
Of course I knew that I only needed talk to ATC to go through Charlie, but the previous controller had already asked me to stay clear of Charlie. Was it really stupid of me to ask Norcal for Charlie clearance?
2) Different scenario: When Norcal tells me, "N1133M, radar service terminated, contact Livermore tower on xxx.xx," do they hand me off to tower? Or do I have to tell tower my location when contacting them? If Norcal doesn't state that radar service is terminated, I would just need to say, "Livermore tower, Cherokee 1133M, landing with Bravo", with no need for location report, right?
These seen minor questions, but as a newbie pilot flying in a congested airspace I want my communication to be as concise and as appropriate as possible.
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Me: "Cherokee 33M requesting Pruneyard transition." [This way point is inside Charlie]
KNUQ: "Cherokee 33M, contact Norcal xxx.xx"
Me: "xxx.xx, 33M" then "Norcal, Cherokee 1133M, three thousand"
Norcal: "N1133M, at or below three thousand five hundred, stay clear of the Bravo." [Bravo is above Charlie.]
Me: "At or below three thousand five hundred, stay clear of the Bravo, 33M. And are we cleared to enter San Jose Charlie?"
Norcal [sounding extremely annoyed]: "You're talking to me." And he didn't say anything more.
Of course I knew that I only needed talk to ATC to go through Charlie, but the previous controller had already asked me to stay clear of Charlie. Was it really stupid of me to ask Norcal for Charlie clearance?
2) Different scenario: When Norcal tells me, "N1133M, radar service terminated, contact Livermore tower on xxx.xx," do they hand me off to tower? Or do I have to tell tower my location when contacting them? If Norcal doesn't state that radar service is terminated, I would just need to say, "Livermore tower, Cherokee 1133M, landing with Bravo", with no need for location report, right?
These seen minor questions, but as a newbie pilot flying in a congested airspace I want my communication to be as concise and as appropriate as possible.
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