Scotch Whisky

NoHeat said:
Any ideas what I should do with a bottle of Ardberg Perpetuum that tastes like concentrated asphalt?

I liked Lagavulin 16, which is a smoky spirit from Islay, so I thought I'd try something even smokier, Ardberg, only to find I can't drink the stuff. Not straight, not mixed with anything I've tried. Don't know what to do with it short of pouring it out, and at over $100 I haven't come to that yet. Any ideas?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN-1mNqCLpc

Can give this a try, I haven't done it but its better to try than pouring it out.
 
Gerhardt said:
How can you guys tell the difference? It all tastes the same to me, like trying to tell the difference between Coke and Pepsi.

Maybe it's my unrefined palate.
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My condolences.
 
Art VanDelay said:
Anything older than 12 and all I can taste is the barrel. For my money it isn't worth the crummy flavor to pay more.
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For Glenmorangie's Lasanta (finished in sherry casks) and Quinta Ruban (finished in port casks), adding the flavors of the barrel is kind of the point. Those are $50 bottles for a fifth.
 
Matthew said:
There is a story that, during Prohibition, the importation of Scots whisky was illegal. Laphroig was imported as a "disinfectant". Apparently US customs thought that anything smelling like Laphroig couldn't be used for anything other than medicinal purposes. It was the single best selling whisky legally during prohibition in the U.S. It was prescribed to those in need of medicinal alcohol.
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I believe that since it really does seem like something my body reprocessed several times.

Any single malt with Glen in the name is my choice. Blends are for wusses. ;)
I learned that working in East Kilbride many moons ago.

Cheers
 
I'm not much for JW, a blended whisky. The unfortunate part is most people's first experience with Scotch is a smokey blended. There's dozens of male whiskys out there and if that one doesn't appeal to you, go find another. Like Canadian or bourbon, each has a different flavor.
My favorite a King Alexander III from The Dalmore. If you're looking to try a Scotch, any Dalmore would be a good start. Even their 12 year old is quite tasty.
I been quaffing Rye whiskey lately. There's a number of tasty ryes out there. Angel'S Envy and Whistle Pig (both fun to order in a bar) are very good.
Whistle Pig.... Whistle Pig.... Whistyle Pig....
 
Lindberg said:
Chivas is unusually good for cleaning paintbrushes. The Qunita Ruban is great, but I prefer the Lasanta. Laproig, Talisker, Ardbeg are my go-tos. For early Christmas I received bottles of The Glenlivit 18 and Old Ballantruan, which I haven't tried yet.
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I am NOT a expert drinker, but like Chivas.. Been sipping it for 40 years... You can have your high dollar stuff and I will convert the difference in price to aviation fuel and it will take me to SLC where a feast is in store at the Benihana steak house... Yummy...


http://www.benihana.com/locations/saltlakecity-ut-sl/
 
silver-eagle said:
IAngel'S Envy and Whistle Pig (both fun to order in a bar) are very good.....
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Angel's Envy bourbon is very tasty and smooth. I should try the rye.

It's interesting that they age Angel's Envy in used barrels, the way scotch is made. Just wondering how they can do that ... I thought there was a law that bourbon must be aged in new oak barrels.
 
Angel's uses new barrels for the requisite Bourbon aging but they do an additional "finish" aging in used Port wine barrels.
 
Lindberg said:
Well then, let me just say, 'no true Scotsman' would drink a blend.;)
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Agreed. And for those who like Johnny Walker...all they do is buy up the scraps from the other distilleries and blend it together, then they sell it (especially the blue) at a higher price. I've tasted the blue....it sucks.

Single malt or nothing for me.
 
Lindberg said:
Well then, let me just say, 'no true Scotsman' would drink a blend.;)
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Friends shouldnt let friends drink blends.

Still prefer the single pot still whiskey
 
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The Wife just gave me a bottle of Talisker Skye for Christmas. Can't wait until the sun is over the yardarm.
 
Give Jack Daniels Tennessee Honey a try.
 
FORANE said:
Maybe you prefer Jose Cuervo?
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Sometimes yes, sometimes no


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If you are into rye you should give Templeton Rye a try. Pretty good @ $30 bottle.
 
Ropin4gold said:
If you are into rye you should give Templeton Rye a try. Pretty good @ $30 bottle.
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+1

Damn good rye.

Makes a great Old Fashioned when you don't have Sazerac.


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If you can track any down outside of Scotland treat yourself to a bottle of Ledaig

If they drink Scotch in Heaven it will be Ledaig ...
 
NoHeat said:
If you like it, fine, but you might be interested to know the brand was founded as a marketing scam. It is a standard rye made in a big distillery in Indiana, with a false story that it is the old Templeton Iowa product that was Al Capone's favorite.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/09/24/templeton-rye-lawsuit/16177909/
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I think the label doesn't make any claims on Capone, just has his picture.

Yes, it is a good Rye, and, if you don't have Sazerac around it works quite well.

(And if you don't like stuff that comes from big distilleries and has lots of marketing behind it, stay away from all the Bourbons. The family trees are pretty intertwined, and lots more marketing than "design").
 
A fuller expose of the scam of how Angels Envy Rye, Templeton Rye, Bulleit Rye and other 'craft' ryes are really all the same product from a big Indiana factory:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...bly-from-a-factory-distillery-in-indiana.html

The product is the rye component from Seagram's Seven blend. The factory used to belong to Seagram's.

Hopefully the better known Scotch single malts do not engage in this kind of American tomfoolery.

The whistlepig brand is another marketing scam - it is not from a small distillery in Vermont as claimed, but a big factory in Canada.
 
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The best $30 bourbons I've had are probably Rowans Creek and Texas Troubadour's batch #5... #6 sucked though and I haven't tried any since then as a result. 5 was like drinking bark, it was awesome.
 
JoseCuervo said:
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If this were a bourbon thread I'd agree with you all except for the Kirklands, I prefer Woodford Reserve but Pappy Van Winkle (when you can get it) is the best bourbon available in my opinion. I have two bottles of the 12 and one of the 10 and I only bring it out for special occasions. Pappy is a bourbon that you would threaten to kill someone if they try to put anything in it. A true sipping whiskey.
 
NoHeat said:
A fuller expose of the scam of how Angels Envy Rye, Templeton Rye, Bulleit Rye and other 'craft' ryes are really all the same product from a big Indiana factory:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...bly-from-a-factory-distillery-in-indiana.html

The product is the rye component from Seagram's Seven blend. The factory used to belong to Seagram's.

Hopefully the better known Scotch single malts do not engage in this kind of American tomfoolery.

The whistlepig brand is another marketing scam - it is not from a small distillery in Vermont as claimed, but a big factory in Canada.
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Well.. That is a surprising article....:yikes:..

You would figure the bottlers should be required to properly disclose the origin of the product.....
 
NoHeat said:
A fuller expose of the scam of how Angels Envy Rye, Templeton Rye, Bulleit Rye and other 'craft' ryes are really all the same product from a big Indiana factory:
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I don't know why you find this surprising. A lot of craft beer comes from F.X.Matt's facilities as well. This is only surprising to those who have no clue how spirits are produced.

The factory used to belong to Seagram's.
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This is the most useless piece of information.

You should know that even with the premium brands that don't contract out production often do the distilling at a very disparate location than the aging and other steps. There's nothing magic about distillation. It's a factory process.

Even Heaven Hill when their primary distillery burned down just shifted production to another one they bought. They truck tanker loads of white dog back up to Bardstown to barrel, age, and subsequently bottle. Amusingly their #1 designation occurs because Kentucky assigned numbers to all the distilleries in alphabetical order and they subsumed the #1 registration by buying the first name on the list.
 
N801BH said:
You would figure the bottlers should be required to properly disclose the origin of the product.....
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There's a federal law that requires the distillery's state to be identified on the label, but many of these scam brands violate that law. See the story in my previous post.

Templeton Rye previously made the false clsim that it was distilled in Templeton Iowa. They were sued and changed their label. There was also a class action suit on behalf of consumers, like me, who were deceitfully tricked into buying what we thought was an Iowa product with a great story about a recipe favored by Al Capone. Turns out it is just mote of the bulk Seagram's Seven stuff from the Indiana factory.
 
NoHeat said:
There's a federal law that requires the distillery's state to be identified on the label, but many of these scam brands violate that law.
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Not quite. Only the bottler for US production is required to be designated in general. Further, the address given doesn't need to be the actual bottling location, but can be the principal place of business for the producer. The state, if different from the producer, is not required for light whiskies, blended whiskies, or spirit whiskies. However if a state does appear on the label, it needs to be used in an approved manor (including not lying about where it was distilled). Most of the bourbons or straight ryes however, do need to be appropriately labeled with the state.

For imported sprits, the country of origin and the US importer must be named.
 
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Timbeck2 said:
If this were a bourbon thread I'd agree with you all except for the Kirklands, I prefer Woodford Reserve but Pappy Van Winkle (when you can get it) is the best bourbon available in my opinion. I have two bottles of the 12 and one of the 10 and I only bring it out for special occasions. Pappy is a bourbon that you would threaten to kill someone if they try to put anything in it. A true sipping whiskey.
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Yeah, the Kirklands was in the picture for another purpose...

But, the Kirkland is a pretty good Bourbon, well worth the price. I believe it is 4 Roses. I have no problem sharing it with guests.

And yes, Pappy is in a class of itself... That pic is likely a $1000 of Bourbon in some markets....
 
NoHeat said:
A fuller expose of the scam of how Angels Envy Rye, Templeton Rye, Bulleit Rye and other 'craft' ryes are really all the same product from a big Indiana factory:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...bly-from-a-factory-distillery-in-indiana.html

The product is the rye component from Seagram's Seven blend. The factory used to belong to Seagram's.

Hopefully the better known Scotch single malts do not engage in this kind of American tomfoolery.

The whistlepig brand is another marketing scam - it is not from a small distillery in Vermont as claimed, but a big factory in Canada.
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If any of this is "news" to you, then you need to spend more time drinking Rye and Bourbon.

Research a bit on what comes out of Buffalo Trace in Frankfort....

Research a bit on the progeny of Jim Beam and who they work for.
 
Given that it's not marked as a straight whiskey, the place of distillation is not required. Only the business address of the bottling company. Note that other than some casual reference to Iowa in the depression, the state name doesn't appear anywhere other than the bottler designation. I suspect the TTB won't care. Note that if you read the stuff carefully, it no where says it is in fact: small batch or produced in Iowa. You get what you pay for by assuming things based on the advertising hype.
 
NoHeat said:
A fuller expose of the scam of how Angels Envy Rye, Templeton Rye, Bulleit Rye and other 'craft' ryes are really all the same product from a big Indiana factory:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...bly-from-a-factory-distillery-in-indiana.html

The product is the rye component from Seagram's Seven blend. The factory used to belong to Seagram's.

Hopefully the better known Scotch single malts do not engage in this kind of American tomfoolery.

The whistlepig brand is another marketing scam - it is not from a small distillery in Vermont as claimed, but a big factory in Canada.
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That's eye opening. Thanks. The real crime is that many of these brands are probably top-shelf brands that run > $40 for 750 ml. .mad:
 
flyingron said:
Given that it's not marked as a straight whiskey, the place of distillation is not required. Only the business address of the bottling company. Note that other than some casual reference to Iowa in the depression, the state name doesn't appear anywhere other than the bottler designation. I suspect the TTB won't care. Note that if you read the stuff carefully, it no where says it is in fact: small batch or produced in Iowa. You get what you pay for by assuming things based on the advertising hype.
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To my simple mind.... That is BAIT AND SWITCH..... But.... Attorneys are damn clever when advising the marketing dept....:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
Timbeck2 said:
If this were a bourbon thread I'd agree with you all except for the Kirklands, I prefer Woodford Reserve but Pappy Van Winkle (when you can get it) is the best bourbon available in my opinion. I have two bottles of the 12 and one of the 10 and I only bring it out for special occasions. Pappy is a bourbon that you would threaten to kill someone if they try to put anything in it. A true sipping whiskey.
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I've been looking for some Pappy and it's damn near impossible to find up here.
 
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