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Nope...not equal at all

Illegal=Rapist and Murders?

Good luck with THAT


Illegal = Felons with no regard for our laws,

Every day they are here they are committing a felony, they broke the laws because it was easier than going about it the legal way, a way which MANY LEGAL immigrants have done it.

So yeah, they choose which laws they want to follow, I'd imagine if other laws didn't suit them logic would state they would just break those laws too.

The crime stats where people illegally cross the boarder speak for them selves.

Honorable people, people with something to give the world, they ain't running the boarder, they are going through the legal channels, like many many people have.
 
FYI to those who say "if you don't like my post don't read it"... Um, you really can't dislike it until AFTER you've read it. Just saying.

A bunch of rich, old, white guys defending Donald Trump?? Who'd have thought.

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FYI to those who say "if you don't like my post don't read it"... Um, you really can't dislike it until AFTER you've read it. Just saying.

A bunch of rich, old, white guys defending Donald Trump?? Who'd have thought.

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You think we're bad, go talk to some of the first generation Mexican and other immigrants who came here LEGALLY, they have absolutely Z E R O respect for illegals.
 
Cool.

I'm not sure though why an off-topic thread like this is tolerated on this forum. (The initial post was marginally on-topic, but most of the follow-ups aren't even close.)

This is DEFINITELY aviation related. For all us IFR pilots out there, new enroute charts, new approach plates, new downloads --all because the wise ones are being led around by their nose ring. :D:D:mad2:

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...other than implying that all immigrants that are crossing the border or are in this country are rapist and murders. There are rapist and murders...but that is not all of them. That was just stupid and the crux of the outrage.
Where did you hear that he said that all [illegal] immigrants are rapists and murderers? That's not at all what he said. That's pretty much the opposite of what he said. He explicitly said that some of them are good people:
“They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”
 
Face it, our immigration system is all sorts of fracked up. If people want to come here legally and work and pay taxes, then why make them wait multiple years, and then maybe still be denied. Even Americans overseas who marry foreigners have to deal with a long wait. It's absolutely ridiculous.

The only plausible solution is to heavily fine businesses that hire illegals. THAT IS THE ONLY WAY! Trump wants to build a fence. Good luck with that. Fences don't work. They never have and they never will. Employing troops, helicopters and technology along the border is cost-prohibitive. The best solution is to make it untenable for illegals to work in this country. Guess who is against imposing restrictions against businesses?

The whole thing is a clusterfark. And even if we manage to militarize the entire Mexican border, the Canadian side is wide open. Look, even Ted Cruz snuck across, the little bastard!
 
That works for both parties. I can say that as a conservative, because they both suck. The traditional conservatives want to shut Trump up because he's basically telling it like it is. He's not a politician. All politicians want is to say whatever to get elected, then pander to the people or organizations that give them the most money to stay elected. They're all (Repubs AND Dems) the same. All bought and paid for career politicians. Until we get term limits and get rid of lobbying, none of these guys will ever care a dime about you or me. Now if you give them a 10k contribution (bribe), then they'll perk up. That's the sad fact of American politics. Like Lee Ermy said in FMJ...they are all "equally worthless." They only serve their own interests.

Onto substance. Unlike those I loath above, Trump is not beholding to anyone other than his own interests and opinions. He's already as rich as he'll ever need to be, so he's not out there Jonesing for $$ selling his congressional or senatorial votes. As far as immigration is concerned, I am for a fair system that would allow legal immigration to the US, but every illegal alien (or "undocumented immigrant" if you prefer) is currently here illegally. The very fact of their presence is a criminal act. No...they're not all rapists and murderers, but there are numerous lesser crimes, drug crime, petty or felonious larceny, right down to assaults and drunk-driving, and no one is willing to stand up and address it. Oh...let's not forget the convicted felon, 5 time deportee that shot and killed a woman in SF last week. We need to round up every identified illegal / undocumented whatever you want to call them and deport them from the US. We need to economically sanction Mexico for not controlling their side of the border. We pay for an entire federal department to control this, only to have them do nothing. We have a law requiring state and local LEOs to assist, but they don't. We have "Sanctuary" cities and towns that ignore the issue and the law, and spend billions on taxpayer-funded assistance for these people, and require other entities, such as hospitals) to lose money in the process of helping these people stay here illegally. The career politicians don't want people, and most especially someone like Trump, stirring the pot because it will affect the Hispanic vote. More self-interest and pandering. Someone needs to just address the truth, stop talking and start doing something about the problem. There's my 2+ cents. Safe and happy Flying!
 
That works for both parties. I can say that as a conservative, because they both suck.

Which translates into BSABSVR. Both sides may be bad, but there is one side that is actively trying to undermine the constitution and lead us into never ending war. As a vet, and my wife also, (we both served between Iraq I and Iraq II), I resent that. Both major parties do suck, but one is severely worse than the other. A civilized society takes care of their own. Not every person for themselves. Think about that for a minute. Fly safe peeps. I'm grounded for a bit until the wife gives the financial okay.
 
I find it hilarious y'all are actually defending that idiot. He's a blowhard, spouting off stupid crap to boost his ego. He knows it. That's his game. He's unfit to run the businesses he runs, as seen by the many he's bankrupt and screwed over his investors and creditors. If this guy is your champion, you need to rethink some things in life...
 
I heard an anecdote which there's no way to confirm, when Bill left office, and Bush was coming in, they found all the "w" keys on all keyboards missing. "W" being one of his signature themes of the election. So - no, there is nothing to which they won't stoop if that's correct.

Yes, I remember that. It was reported as the truth, and I expect that it was true.
 
...other than implying that all immigrants that are crossing the border or are in this country are rapist and murders. There are rapist and murders...but that is not all of them. That was just stupid and the crux of the outrage.

Spin Zone time...I agree with what he is sayin, but he is a dumb arse for the way he said it and he deserves the backlash.

He worded it poorly. He did not mean ALL immigrants were rapists or murderers, but once the media did their spin job, many people believe that he meant that.

Typical though, just shout them down.
 
He worded it poorly. He did not mean ALL immigrants were rapists or murderers, but once the media did their spin job, many people believe that he meant that.

Typical though, just shout them down.

He could have worded it better, but yes the media spun it.
 
You'd have to be a dyed in the wool, knee pad wearing, obamazombie to believe what you just wrote.

He obviously did not read or listen to the entire Trump statement and analyze it fairly. Rather, he listened to what the media TOLD HIM that Trump said.
 
Illegal = Felons with no regard for our laws,

Every day they are here they are committing a felony, they broke the laws because it was easier than going about it the legal way, a way which MANY LEGAL immigrants have done it.

So yeah, they choose which laws they want to follow, I'd imagine if other laws didn't suit them logic would state they would just break those laws too.

The crime stats where people illegally cross the boarder speak for them selves.

Honorable people, people with something to give the world, they ain't running the boarder, they are going through the legal channels, like many many people have.

VERY well put.
 
Where did you hear that he said that all [illegal] immigrants are rapists and murderers? That's not at all what he said. That's pretty much the opposite of what he said. He explicitly said that some of them are good people:

He DIDN'T hear Trump say that. He heard what the press said that he was supposed to hear.
 
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You think we're bad, go talk to some of the first generation Mexican and other immigrants who came here LEGALLY, they have absolutely Z E R O respect for illegals.

Absolutely. In the mid nineties through 2010, I worked with a really top notch software professional that came from Monterrey LEGALLY. He was a great addition to American Society. Had a beautiful family. Honest. Hard working. I just can't say enough good about him. He has spent a fortune LEGALLY maintaining his work permit and trying to get permanent status. He has been put at the back of the line behind some that came here originally ILLEGALLY.

It's a travesty to see criminals rewarded for breaking the law and at the same time see people like him treated like a criminal.
 
There are other boards you can read and post on.

IOW, if you don't like it here, why are you reading? :)

Because reading nonsense is amusing to him, I suppose. BTW, have you seen Trump's birth certificate? :lol:
 
...other than implying that all immigrants that are crossing the border or are in this country are rapist and murders. There are rapist and murders...but that is not all of them. That was just stupid and the crux of the outrage.

Spin Zone time...I agree with what he is sayin, but he is a dumb arse for the way he said it and he deserves the backlash.

He did not imply that all immigrants are rapists and murderers. In fact, he specifically allowed that some were decent people.

But, perhaps he has a point in terms of the problem that Mexico is importing to our country:

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Trump lost his way when he forgot that 17% of the US population is Hispanic then insulted them. :lol:
 
The only plausible solution is to heavily fine businesses that hire illegals. THAT IS THE ONLY WAY! Trump wants to build a fence. Good luck with that. Fences don't work. They never have and they never will.

I don't disagree with the sentiment to heavily fine businesses, but don't discount the wall as being helpful. It works pretty well in Israel. That's why the "Palestinians" are so worked up over it. It's also why they built a fence around the Whitehouse.
 
Trump lost his way when he forgot that 17% of the US population is Hispanic then insulted them. :lol:


This is a point I truly don't understand. Why would an American born mexican give a **** about an illegal?

That's like me getting ****ed off because they won't let Scandinavian white people walk across the border and take my job or go on the dole off my pocketbook .... :dunno:

Are people really that ignorant?
 
This is a point I truly don't understand. Why would an American born mexican give a **** about an illegal?

That's like me getting ****ed off because they won't let Scandinavian white people walk across the border and take my job or go on the dole off my pocketbook .... :dunno:

Are people really that ignorant?

It is still insulting. Let's say we had a problem with illegal Swedes pouring in the country. If you are Swedish American you may take offense to any talk of Swedish rapists. Think about that a while.

The offense is real. Why do you think all those organizations are dumping Trump? Because they are under pressure from within by offended individuals.
 
It is still insulting. Let's say we had a problem with illegal Swedes pouring in the country. If you are Swedish American you may take offense to any talk of Swedish rapists. Think about that a while.

The offense is real. Why do you think all those organizations are dumping Trump? Because they are under pressure from within by offended individuals.

Nope, it's the left and the media seizing on a moment to once again divide. Trump said what most don't have the balls to say. Illegal=illegal, so get the /$/&:)/$ out.
 
Where did you hear that he said that all [illegal] immigrants are rapists and murderers? That's not at all what he said. That's pretty much the opposite of what he said. He explicitly said that some of them are good people:

This is where context and inflection matter rather than just the words on paper. The WAY he made the statement that some are good people came across as an afterthought and dismissive...that is what outraged people. When talking, words are only considered 10% of the communication when making a delivery in person. Body language, delivery and inflections reinforce those words and makes up a majority of the communication that people receive.

He obviously did not read or listen to the entire Trump statement and analyze it fairly. Rather, he listened to what the media TOLD HIM that Trump said.

Nice way to try and diminish my views by attempting to discredit the person you do not agree with. I, unlike probably most of ya I did listen to the ENTIRE speech and understood the context. Did you? Nice way to use critical thinking skills in a debate...don't attack the issues, discredit the person making a counterargument....it shows the strength of your argument...keep up the good work!

I agreed with all of his stances...just not that a$$ hat statement which in my view lost him all his credibility as a viable politician...which resulted in the backlash we are seeing.

He could have worded it better, but yes the media spun it.

That is all I am saying...he put his foot in his mouth with that statement and is payin the price. I work in political communications and I see media spin every day and statements taken outta context. Happened again just this Wednesday with Jeb in New Hampshire. In Trump's case the statement when IN context is MORE damming that just the words plunked out of the speech. As written above, they appear harmless. In his speech with his delivery, they were toxic. He didn't need a spin for this one.
 
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Nope, it's the left and the media seizing on a moment to once again divide. Trump said what most don't have the balls to say. Illegal=illegal, so get the /$/&:)/$ out.

Ah. The old evil "left and the media" is manipulating us argument. :D

Think for yourself and listen to his words. I like Trump. He is amusing and talks his mind but he is prone to occasional bouts of verbal diarrhea. He certainly wouldn't be the first POTUS with that problem but in his case he has made the cardinal error of insulting a group of people (whether you like to face that fact or not) that the Republican party needs to win the next election. I'm not a Republican so I don't particularly care about that issue and to be honest I'm laughing constantly at the field of contenders there that are shaping up. :rofl:
 
Those same early pre-primary polls also once had Michelle Bachman as the front runner. They are not a predictor of the nominee, only a snapshot of today and who is making the most noise.

The title of the article in your link:

"Trump leads the GOP pack this week, though few think he will win the nomination"

He is going to be elected by the CUSTOMERS of Macy's or ESPN, and MSNBC who are not even engaged yet. Not the political junkies that are playing each poll like the general election is tomorrow.
 
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[/B]He is going to be elected by the CUSTOMERS of Macy's or ESPN, and MSNBC who are not even engaged yet. Not the political junkies that are playing each poll like the general election is tomorrow.

Er - customers of Macy's ESPN or MSNBC are surely not voting for Trump. Well, maybe some of the ESPNers might, but not the other two.

BTW, I doubt he'll be the nominee as well, but there isn't any backlash against him except in the MSM. In the trenches, he's doing rather well. Time will tell though.
 
Compared to the other flip flopper politicians, he's actually not that bad of a pick.
 
and maybe anyone who loaned his businesses $.

Hmmmm... I wonder? What would be a sure-fire method of being made whole on those prev non-performing loans? Someone with the key to the vault? Someone who directs the Fed Reserve? Someone who can make deals with huge foreign govts? Hmmmmmm......:D
 
I heard an anecdote which there's no way to confirm, when Bill left office, and Bush was coming in, they found all the "w" keys on all keyboards missing. "W" being one of his signature themes of the election. So - no, there is nothing to which they won't stoop if that's correct.


That is true.
 
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