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[pookies]

All that whining and I did it just fine on my first try today! My checkride is Monday. It could of been Saturday, but nooooooooooooo, Bobby Jindal's unpredictable schedule got in the way! BOOOOO! I don't know what that's about.

 

[KennyFlys]

I knew ya could do it. I'm happy to see ya got the ride scheduled.

Now, whose schedule is in the way???

 

[pookies]

I knew ya could do it. I'm happy to see ya got the ride scheduled.

Now, whose schedule is in the way???

As political as you are Kenny, you don't know who Bobby Jindal is?????

I don't know what the examiner meant, is he the pilot for Bobby Jindal, or is Bobby Jindal a student?

My XC is to Houston Hobby, I'm trying to figure out a way to get around MSY Class B. It's gonna be difficult. Hmmmmmmm...

 

[jesse]

I'm trying to figure out a way to get around MSY Class B. It's gonna be difficult. Hmmmmmmm...

Go under it. The Bravo is small and the first ring has a 4,000 ft floor and the second a 2,000 ft floor. You can get damn close to MSY by staying under the 2,000 ft.

 

[pookies]

Go under it. The Bravo is small and the first ring has a 4,000 ft floor and the second a 2,000 ft floor. You can get damn close to MSY by staying under the 2,000 ft.

I have a feeling that I am gonna have to fly through it. If I flew at 1500 ft, there is a maximum elevation figure of 1200 ft nearby. I'm not too sure if the examiner would like that. Also, there is a class D right there with a ceiling of 2500 ft. Its an Air Force base, so I don't want to get too close!! I think I can handle it. I'll just request for a VFR fly through. I know they will let me. But, I will make an alternate route in case they don't.

 

[SkyHog]

I have a feeling that I am gonna have to fly through it. If I flew at 1500 ft, there is a maximum elevation figure of 1200 ft nearby. I'm not too sure if the examiner would like that. Also, there is a class D right there with a ceiling of 2500 ft. Its an Air Force base, so I don't want to get too close!! I think I can handle it. I'll just request for a VFR fly through. I know they will let me. But, I will make an alternate route in case they don't.

Well, I don't want to stack too much on ya, but Air Force Class Ds are just like normal class ds unless they're in restricted area.

You'll be fine. If you want to plan around MSY's class B, do it, but I think you'd be fine going under and through the AF Class D, personally (remember though, its your call, always is, always will be!).

 

[pookies]

I wonder how far I have to go out on this XC on my checkride?

 

[kevin47881]

I wonder how far I have to go out on this XC on my checkride?

I was instructed to chart out a flight of about 400 NM. However, once we hit the first check point it was time to go into the PTS manuvers.

Good luck.

 

[KennyFlys]

I wonder how far I have to go out on this XC on my checkride?

Usually 2 or 3 checkpoints or about 20-25 miles; enough that you can measure time on the first cruise leg and estimate the next one. He may also ask for a diversion along with distance and time to get there.

 

[jesse]

I have a feeling that I am gonna have to fly through it. If I flew at 1500 ft, there is a maximum elevation figure of 1200 ft nearby. I'm not too sure if the examiner would like that. Also, there is a class D right there with a ceiling of 2500 ft. Its an Air Force base, so I don't want to get too close!! I think I can handle it. I'll just request for a VFR fly through. I know they will let me. But, I will make an alternate route in case they don't.

You could always fly above the whole mess. The ceiling of the bravo is 7,000. Where are you coming from and where are you trying to go?

 

[RotaryWingBob]

I wonder how far I have to go out on this XC on my checkride?

That depends on the DE. My first checkpoint on my fixed-wing checkride was a private airport about 4 miles out -- I spotted it and then he had me terminate and go into maneuvers.

I don't even remember what kind (if any) XC I had to plan for my helicopter add-on. I do remember, though, that he had me fly a few patterns with various landing scenarios (normal, steep approaches to the numbers) and autorotations. After the last landing, he had me go out over the grass and do maneuvers. We never left the airport environment

I also remember that in the turn from x-wind to downwind in one of the patterns, my airplane muscle memory must have kicked in and I used some right pedal in a right turn putting the helicopter into a skid (or a slip, I can never remember which is which). The DE just laughed and said "What do you think you're flying, an airplane?".

 

[flyingcheesehead]

I have a feeling that I am gonna have to fly through it. If I flew at 1500 ft, there is a maximum elevation figure of 1200 ft nearby. I'm not too sure if the examiner would like that. Also, there is a class D right there with a ceiling of 2500 ft. Its an Air Force base, so I don't want to get too close!! I think I can handle it. I'll just request for a VFR fly through. I know they will let me. But, I will make an alternate route in case they don't.

That's probably exactly what the DE is looking for - He's making sure you know the various options and that you always have a plan B and C in case the TRACON or the AFB won't let you into their airspace. Have fun on the ride - You'll do just fine.

 

[Patch]

The controllers in New Orleans are pretty helpful dudes. They'll generally let your through without much hassle.

Navy New Orleans (NAS JRB New Orleans) is a pretty busy base, but Southern Seaplane sits just to the west of it and has a high volume of seaplane/GA traffic. They're used to it. If you call up NO Appr on the way in, they'll probably send you to follow the Ponchartrain to stay clear of Armstrong's traffic.

Which airport are you flying out of? Is Lakefront open again?

Best of luck to you, you'll do fine.

 

[Steve]

There is a VFR fly-way that you only need to contact MSY approach or tower to use. Call MSY tower as soon as you depart NEW then fly direct from NEW to MSY then fly parallel to 10/28. Nice view of the city, too. Your DE will be impressed that the airspace and radio work doesn't intimidate you.

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I have a feeling that I am gonna have to fly through it. If I flew at 1500 ft, there is a maximum elevation figure of 1200 ft nearby. I'm not too sure if the examiner would like that. Also, there is a class D right there with a ceiling of 2500 ft. Its an Air Force base, so I don't want to get too close!! I think I can handle it. I'll just request for a VFR fly through. I know they will let me. But, I will make an alternate route in case they don't.

 

[pookies]

There is a VFR fly-way that you only need to contact MSY approach or tower to use. Call MSY tower as soon as you depart NEW then fly direct from NEW to MSY then fly parallel to 10/28. Nice view of the city, too. Your DE will be impressed that the airspace and radio work doesn't intimidate you.

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I've never done that before. I knew about the flyway, but I have no clue as in how to really do it.

 

[Dwight B. Van Zanen]

I have a feeling that I am gonna have to fly through it. If I flew at 1500 ft, there is a maximum elevation figure of 1200 ft nearby. I'm not too sure if the examiner would like that. Also, there is a class D right there with a ceiling of 2500 ft. Its an Air Force base, so I don't want to get too close!! I think I can handle it. I'll just request for a VFR fly through. I know they will let me. But, I will make an alternate route in case they don't.

Not to complicate your life, but if you are still a student (and you still are on the check ride) you need an instructor endorsement to do the Class B VFR transition. Your examiner may be critical of you violating your limitations. He or she is supposed to be treated as a passenger on that flight. Specific exception for the examiner to be a passenger, with a student pilot as PIC.

As for going under, still the best bet. If you have a tower or something under the approach end just stay clear of it. The examiner is looking for pilot confidence as much as anything, and if you are concerned enough to avoid a common route it may reduce his/her confidence in you.

On my test, the XC portion also ended at the first checkpoint. Suggest you are obvious about your visual scan outside, while monitoring your heading and altitude. It is VFR flying. You don't want the examiner to think you are not looking for other traffic enough, early in the flight.

 

[SkyHog]

Not to complicate your life, but if you are still a student (and you still are on the check ride) you need an instructor endorsement to do the Class B VFR transition. Your examiner may be critical of you violating your limitations. He or she is supposed to be treated as a passenger on that flight. Specific exception for the examiner to be a passenger, with a student pilot as PIC.

As for going under, still the best bet. If you have a tower or something under the approach end just stay clear of it. The examiner is looking for pilot confidence as much as anything, and if you are concerned enough to avoid a common route it may reduce his/her confidence in you.

On my test, the XC portion also ended at the first checkpoint. Suggest you are obvious about your visual scan outside, while monitoring your heading and altitude. It is VFR flying. You don't want the examiner to think you are not looking for other traffic enough, early in the flight.

Good point, DPE might even be looking for this one. Make sure, should you choose to enter the bravo, that you discuss this with him beforehand.

 

[Dwight B. Van Zanen]

Good point, DPE might even be looking for this one. Make sure, should you choose to enter the bravo, that you discuss this with him beforehand.

Better, if that is your plan, get your instructor to provide the endorsement. If he is reluctant, remind him that when you pass your check ride you will not need it at all - so by this point he ought to be sure you can handle it. That is what he is saying by signing the form that you are ready for the check ride. Some instructors never give a Class B endorsement, some do. He may be reluctant if you have never done it with him before, as it seems may be the case since you - pookies - said she had never used the route before and did not know how to do it. A little gap in the training program.

This was something of an issue for me too. When I did my training it was out of a pilot-controlled airport under the Seattle Class B, and my instructor often also worked out of an airport on the other side of the Class B. I did a lot of flying back and forth, mostly under the south approach which also has a tower in the path.

 

[gprellwitz]

Not to complicate your life, but if you are still a student (and you still are on the check ride) you need an instructor endorsement to do the Class B VFR transition. Your examiner may be critical of you violating your limitations. He or she is supposed to be treated as a passenger on that flight. Specific exception for the examiner to be a passenger, with a student pilot as PIC.

As for going under, still the best bet. If you have a tower or something under the approach end just stay clear of it. The examiner is looking for pilot confidence as much as anything, and if you are concerned enough to avoid a common route it may reduce his/her confidence in you.

On my test, the XC portion also ended at the first checkpoint. Suggest you are obvious about your visual scan outside, while monitoring your heading and altitude. It is VFR flying. You don't want the examiner to think you are not looking for other traffic enough, early in the flight.

If I recall my checkride, I was told that I should plan and fly it as if I had my PPC. Of course, around Chicago, that doesn't matter, because an ATP is the required certification to get into the Class Bravo. (Okay, hyperbole). I'm certain that if the transition is beyond the second checkpoint and you mention during the presentation of the flight plan that it wouldn't be legal as a student pilot, the DE would not have a problem with it. Especially if you have another way around.

That said, why would it not be legal as a student pilot? Looking at the sectional and TAC, the class B airspace seems to explicitly EXCLUDE the corridor. therefore, the restriction on requiring an endorsement would not apply. The vertical limits of theClass Bravo are listed as 10/SFC and 70/20.

Again, we don't have to worry about that in Chicago, since they haven't seen fit to put in a corridor, either.

 

[Dwight B. Van Zanen]

If I recall my checkride, I was told that I should plan and fly it as if I had my PPC. Of course, around Chicago, that doesn't matter, because an ATP is the required certification to get into the Class Bravo. (Okay, hyperbole). I'm certain that if the transition is beyond the second checkpoint and you mention during the presentation of the flight plan that it wouldn't be legal as a student pilot, the DE would not have a problem with it. Especially if you have another way around.

That said, would it not be legal as a student pilot? Looking at the sectional and TAC, the class B airspace seems to explicitly EXCLUDE the corridor. therefore, the restriction on requiring an endorsement would not apply.

Again, we don't have to worry about that in Chicago, since they haven't seen fit to put in a corridor, either.

Interesting point. I don't have the sectional and did not look it up. In Seattle the SEA Class B transition is a VFR transition THROUGH Class B. I believe the LA corridor is also. Seems unlikely they would exclude the corridor.

Just checked. Wow. Never saw that before. SFC to 10 and 20 to 70. And the note just says contact approach or tower. I withdraw my prior comments, except now be very sure you stay in the corridor!

 

[pookies]

Interesting point. I don't have the sectional and did not look it up. In Seattle the SEA Class B transition is a VFR transition THROUGH Class B. I believe the LA corridor is also. Seems unlikely they would exclude the corridor since, if it is not Class B, you would not even be required to get a clearance from them at all if it is not airspace under their control.

Just checked. Wow. Never saw that before. SFC to 10 and 20 to 70. And the note just says contact approach or tower. I withdraw my prior comments, except now be very sure you stay in the corridor!

Yeah, that corridor is crazy! You have to get a clearence, so what the point?

 

[gprellwitz]

Interesting point. I don't have the sectional and did not look it up. In Seattle the SEA Class B transition is a VFR transition THROUGH Class B. I believe the LA corridor is also. Seems unlikely they would exclude the corridor.

It was linked above from SkyVecor.com.

Just checked. Wow. Never saw that before. SFC to 10 and 20 to 70. And the note just says contact approach or tower. I withdraw my prior comments, except now be very sure you stay in the corridor!

Yeah. 1000' isn't much space for the sort of converging traffic you're likely to have through there. Eyes outside the airplane, but watch the altimeter! And make sure you have the current altimeter reading!

 

[Dwight B. Van Zanen]

It was linked above from SkyVecor.com.

I just did not bother to look. I thought I knew what a VFR corridor through Class B was. Live and learn. One nice thing about the SEA VFR transition is it is not a tight corridor. You get a clearance and follow instructions. Usually they put you over the approach end of the runways about 1000' from the numbers at 1500', sometimes with flights going in and out under you. This one looks like you fly close to runway heading in and out. Very strange.

 

[Ghery]

Took my PP checkride out of S50 (Auburn, WA). It is SE of SEA and under their B space. Had to get to the west side for all the maneuvers. Transitioned under a 1400 MSL shelf of the B space where the ground elevation is around 400 MSL. No problem. Know your airspace, plan options, and you'll do fine.