Banned from Beechtalk for no good reason

So it came to a head today. I learned that Beechtalk forum is infested by greedy sales con artists called brokers who jack up the price of aircraft by 20-30%. I called them on this bluff and was banned as a result. A lot of cranky pilots on that forum...
Complete BS!

Get over it. Most these forums are moderated by idiots with little else they actually control. The rare power is so intoxicating...!

Except, of course, the ones I moderate...:yes:
 
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I did nothing wrong but the brokers were ticked off at me that is the reality that nobody at BT will ever admit because they pay the bills to host the site. Sorry but paying 10x what something is worth is just plain stupidity.
 
Welcome to the free enterprise system. The important part is that you are free to not purchase from them.
 
You are also free to make defaming comments about them and are in turn free to seek damages for those comments if they wish.
 
Yes they do.

And they're equally stupid and devalue the usefulness of the classifieds to the point that they're a bad joke. I wouldn't consider buying anything out of there based on the white washed comments. It's as bad as airnav, just a bunch of people slapping each other on the ass. I checked on one plane that got praise here and I fully expect it to kill whoever bought it because they certainly didn't have an A&P check it out. But hey, it was against the rules for me to mention all the airworthy issues with it and the several deviations from the type cert the owner took the liberty to make. Can't mention that, but you can still say how you saw it at the pancake breakfast and how gorgeous it is. That plane was scrap metal, you'd think it was a show winner based on the feedback here.
 
I did nothing wrong but the brokers were ticked off at me that is the reality that nobody at BT will ever admit because they pay the bills to host the site. Sorry but paying 10x what something is worth is just plain stupidity.

In your first post you said 10 to 20%, now it's 10x? Are you exaggerating because you're angry, or is there another reason? I'll agree with you that Neil gets his clients good value, but he works his ass off too. You see NO value in what he does? really?
 
It seems to me that coming to this forum, to complain about another one, is a little bit... off.
 
Is there a full moon or something? Seems like a lot of surely folks popping up around here this weekend! One thread has already been closed!
 
So it came to a head today. I learned that Beechtalk forum is infested by greedy sales con artists called brokers who jack up the price of aircraft by 20-30%. I called them on this bluff and was banned as a result. A lot of cranky pilots on that forum even though there are some good Beech pilots there as well.

As one who is also banned from Beechtalk, I am certain it has nothing to do with brokers, although you did continually poke them in the eye with a stick for no good reason -- other than to tout yourself as SuperLowballs the Airplane Dealmaking Genius.

I'm confident that you were banned for being a repeat-offending douchebag. Your tone was completely contrary to the drum-circle vibe they try to maintain there. If you eye the site as a 20,000 (or however many) member bingo club, where everyone shows up to high-five each other for their aircraft brand selection genius, and criticism of the marque is unwelcome -- things might make more sense. Witness the drubbing the Cirrus guys keep getting on there -- and they're friendly!

When you complained of trouble getting your own Beechcraft, they circled the wagons and tried very hard to solve any issue that you might have -- not because they like you -- but because they are paying homage to the marque. So they showered you in free rides, plane research, and all the info you'd care to learn -- that is until they all realized they were being played for chumps and you weren't drinking the kool-aid. Once they identified you as not "one of them" (ie, loyal to the brand B and willing to pay a little more for the value of the marque, or the value of planes owned by active Beechtalkers), they became totally allergic to your discounting the value of their help, wisdom, time, and advice, and the sneering at their planes.

Frankly, I agree with them giving you the boot. You're insufferable even on abrasive forums like AOPA's, where I actually visit to read the Douchebag Jowl Squad sparring with one another and bicker over the most amazing minutia.

I'm certain you had several condescending warnings from the Jeffs, where they talked to you like you were a 4 year old, and which you clearly didn't heed. I am not aware of any "Surprise! Banhammer!" kicks from that site. So the mock outrage is misplaced.

I'm certain they fielded innumerable complaints about you, which anyone would find tiresome. (who on earth would want to be an internet forum moderator? :D )

And really, you did nothing to advance the state of aircraft shopping with your continual whining, the trash-talking of every for-sale ad on the site, and the Brand B Boosters took it personally. Anyone who has been through the plane purchase process from start to finish could identify your tire-kicking ways. I get it. A plane is a huge purchase, and one doesn't want to leave money on the table. Hopping up and down and telling everyone their planes are overpriced junk isn't really a great tactic for making friends. It was amusing to watch, though.

For the record, I have three Beechcrafts. I still boost the brand in my own way, but I'm not part of the Official Unofficial Beech Rah-rah squad anymore. Despite your antics, I'd even take you for a ride, and I'd even pay for the gas. I think the planes are "worth it", and there are so damn many of them, you can eventually find one for a steal of a price by staying quiet and being ready to pounce.

Regardless of all of my noise -- You should get a Piper Comanche. Seriously. It's a good personality match with most of those guys. I still remember going to the ICS Comanche Fly-in where dozens of owners were kvetching about the stabilator horn crack AD -- and were incensed at the cost of a few hundred bucks to discover if their stabilator was going to flutter off of the airplane and cause their violent death. Hilarious. Join em, you can ***** with and at them for hours, and they all believe their plane is as good as a Bonanza for half of the price. They're pretty close to right about that, too. (...but check your stabilator horn, put on the new style one, fly with confidence, hate on Bonanzas. Lather, Kvetch, Repeat. :D )

$0.02. I actually hope you end up in a TBM900 and give them all the finger. The butthurt would flow like spring wine. Heh!

- Mike
 
And Jeff you are the real jerk here not me.
No argument, I've been called a lot worse. But I didn't use and abuse anyone to get an airplane, I just found one I liked and bought it.

I also don't claim to be a victim of a conspiracy by bankers, and apparently now airplane brokers and web board administrators, to prevent little old me from buying a flying contraption.

As I look around the hangar row back in IL where my plane lives, I see planes owned by an electrician, a pharmacist, an engineer, a building contractor, and a retired schoolteacher. These people also apparently didn't get the memo that "the man" will keep them from owning a plane. They just found one they liked and bought it.

BTW Ben, do you realize that I am not one of the Jeff's who run beechtalk ? Since Jeff is a common name, it's likely you will run into all sorts of Jeff's who don't know each other yet can easily see you for the fraud that you are.
 
It's nothing personal, it's just that you are a troll both online and in real life, and people got tired of your endless BS, whining, carping, and taking advantage of good intentioned people, wasting their time and money trying to help you buy a plane that you have no intention of ever buying.


Amen brother! Skynewbie -- you pulled the same shenanigans on MooneySpace and wore out your welcome there both as skynewbie and benpilot.

Maybe it is time to take up boating...
 
Amen brother! Skynewbie -- you pulled the same shenanigans on MooneySpace and wore out your welcome there both as skynewbie and benpilot.

Maybe it is time to take up boating...

Wow. I read some of his posts on MooneySpace and BeechTalk. Embarrassing is the word that comes to mind. Then to whine about it here. Sheesh. Someone ends a new hobby.
 
No I'm going to buy a plane, go flying and quit wasting time on forums ;)
But you guys get offended so easily. Only pilots are this sensitive. I do other sports and people don't have a stick up their butt so far to get on a soapbox. It's bizarre to be honest.

Yes most folks on BT were helpful it was the same few characters also on other forums and who like picking fights and insulting others that cause issues on all the aviation forums. I'm not going to name names but you jerks know who you are and need to get a real life. I'm going to stop feeding the trolls and have made my point. Whether or not you have the intellect and wisdom to get it is your problem not mine!
 
Oh Jeff Wright sticks and stones huh? You know nothing about me so get a life dude.
 
Amen brother! Skynewbie -- you pulled the same shenanigans on MooneySpace and wore out your welcome there both as skynewbie and benpilot.

Maybe it is time to take up boating...


OMG, boating, post of the year material!!!!!!
 
No I'm going to buy a plane, go flying and quit wasting time on forums
Ben, honestly, I wish you would. All you have to do to make me and many others eat crow, is to get yourself an airplane. I'd be genuinely happy for you. It's not hard.

Just stop angling for a "deal" and buy one. Stop worring about a few thousand on a purchase price. That is rounding error in this game.

Stop worrying about lenders. These days there are plenty of planes for sale in nearly everyone's cash price range.

Stop worrying about what kind of plane everyone else has. The only one you have to impress is yourself.

Stop trying to start at the top. There are plenty of planes you can own right now, and plenty of planes people might call "starter planes" are plenty capable. We flew all over the US and canada in our little cherokee i owned coming out of college.

The one thing we all have in common is that our flying lives are inevitably short. Medical issues can curtail your flying at any time at the back end. Right now you are squandering the precious front end. Don't wait so long to buy a plane that you run out of time to use it.
 
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:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Damn, we finally agree on something. ;)

Beechtalk? Really? Do they have a surf board section? :lol:
 
. We flew all over the US and canada in our little cherokee i owned coming out of college.

In another thread you said this:

I never bothered to try. Ditto for the pilot's license, I had 30-something type ratings in south africe up to 4-engine turboprops, but when I moved back to the USA i rented a C-150 for 40 hours and started over. That was at the end of apartheid and I couldn't validate a license from a country that didn't exist anymore. And that C-150 was the toughest thing i had ever flown, like to never got the hang of it. Heavier planes are much easier than lighter. I'd never been in the left seat of a single engine plane before.

So I'm a bit confused. You claim coming out of college you owned a Cherokee you flew all over the US and Canada, then in another thread you claim you never been in a left seat of a single engine plane before. :dunno:

And if you had this Cherokee you flew all over the US and Canada, didn't you have a pilot license then?? :dunno:
 
And if you had this Cherokee you flew all over the US and Canada, didn't you have a pilot license then?? :dunno:
well...i came back to the usa and went to college after deciding to get out of the scheduled flying business and get a real job. While in college I got a real life FAA license, flew some cancelled checks and lawn darts etc, bought an ercoupe, sold it, bought a cherokee, graduated, got a job, traded the cherokee for another, it's really not that interesting to anyone except you.

...I'm a bit confused...
something we can all agree on all of the time
 
My 2 cents FWIW.....

Rather than blasting people, just ignore the thread. I have not been on BT for a while. Why? Was interested in a high time Deb. I even called Loren and others to get advice in April. However, broker told me that owner wouldn't allow a prebuy as "someone else may want it without one" etc etc. I was told I needed to make a quick decision, so I politely passed because as I told him it would take me time. When I posted saying although I love Bo's and Debs, I indicated I had a sweet offer to fly a friends cirrus, some attacked me on BT for posting. I just said F it. It's not worth the ****ing match. I followed Bens posts there on BT. And, I have spoken to him over the phone. He really is a nice guy. I can understand how he may want to stand up for himself when people attack. I did stop posting there when people started attacking me on my decision to give up my search for a Beech. I posted partially so the brokers who knew I was looking wouldn't waste their time. But, I do recall how some folks are offended on forums and will leave, leaving the forum with a void for valuable free advice such as medical advice. No names mentioned. I just think we need to step back and not attack people. Again, my opinion only. And opinions are like rectums, everyone has one.
 
Freedom of speech is lacking at Beechtalk
It's a private sandbox and the owners can do as they please. Same here. We are visitors in their house so act accordingly. Do not call the children ugly, do not spit out the dinner you were so graciously invited to partake.
 
I think this thread went a different direction than the OP expected.

Why should this thread be any different that/from any other thread?

sorry, not near my Strunk &White's, don't remember if it's from or than.
 
Sorry, we hadn't had any grammar / spelling corrections on this thread yet.
 
However, broker told me that owner wouldn't allow a prebuy as "someone else may want it without one" etc etc. I was told I needed to make a quick decision,

That should tell you everything you need to know right there - RUN Away!
 
Notice my avatar. It's not something I picked today, but picked some months ago due to the anonymous nature of POA and the trolling it promotes. Now it's obvious who the OP is so feeding the troll is not helping.

I have to say, Mike Brannigan gave one of the most insightful analysis of the Beech Talk board I've ever seen. For my mission I needed a 6 seat light twin that would fit in a 40 foot T hanger. When I was looking they were trying to convince me a new twin pilot departing a 2500 foot field in a Baron 58 was SOP. Thankfully caution prevailed for me and I quickly realized it was about the Marquee over there. And nothing wrong with that... these guys bent over backwards for me and I had plenty of rides offered... none of which I accepted. And all that said... I do see a Beech in my future someday and I wish that 40 foot T hanger was 50 foot so I could have gotten a twin beech... now that's on the bucket list for sure :D

But I digress. BT came to the realization that fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me, actually had some basis in fact. If he can't be banned (which I suspect is impossible here) I simply wouldn't feed his delusion of ownership.
 
Well, decided to take a look at PofA. Looks good so far. Still LOVE BeechTalk though. Great place to talk about my airplane (a 1948) and learn about flying.

I see a lot of the same folks are over here that were on the Red Board...

Jeff, just got a flyer in the mail for a 1979 58P - only $190K!
 
Notice my avatar. It's not something I picked today, but picked some months ago due to the anonymous nature of POA and the trolling it promotes....

I get the get the general no-trolls message of your avatar, but don't get the inkblot in the northeast pie slice. What the heck is that?
 
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