Your worst AOG situations

I still only have the one really.

If you are going to relocate the #6 connecting rod to the top of the #4 jug while in flight, Taos NM is not the correct place to do so. No mx, no cars, and the only "uber" around is some dude who scribbled his name on the FBO front desk who will pick you up for a large fee if he's not too stoned.


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1 star experience. Can not recommend.
How was Taos other than the explosive rod? I drive just west of there every year to elk hunt, and have been toying with the idea of making dad drive and I fly. Or vice versa. E14 would be a closer drive to where we camp. But that area is a big NOPE for me.
 
How was Taos other than the explosive rod? I drive just west of there every year to elk hunt, and have been toying with the idea of making dad drive and I fly. Or vice versa. E14 would be a closer drive to where we camp. But that area is a big NOPE for me.

The airport is cool, good runways, friendly FBO -- everything in town is FAR from there however. Off-ski-season, it's... sort of a strange place. I'm not any particular fan of green chiles, the healing power of crystals, nor **** made out of turquoise -- making the inning a solid no-hitter for me. Others may find it charming. :D The place left me feeling like it was some sort of dollar-tree Sedona.

Angelfire seems like a more interesting choice to me, but I've not flown in, only driven past and flown over.

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Ive been lucky and only had a few. One where the prop governor cable end broke and it was after all the shops closed. Another when the voltage regulator died.
 
I'm back and forth to the Bahamas regularlly. With one exception, all of my AOG events have been over there. The airport I go to does not have any MX abilities.

1. Got a call from a friend that my C310 main tire was flat. A buddy had flown it over. I would up going over by boat with a jack and a tube.

2. Came to airplane and nose tire was flat. Had a tube (that I stored from previous experience) and had to get somebody to help me rig up a jack.

3. Took off from the airport in the Bahamas and 3 minutes later had a dual alternator failure in a C421. Plane stayed there for a month as I flew back and forth with parts on the weekends trying to trouble shoot.
 
Plane stuck in El Paso for over a month. Bought it in Florida and was taking it home. Spent the night in El Paso. When I got to the airport next morning fuel was leaking out of it. It was from the crossover vent pipes between the wet wings that had corroded through. Left tank vented at the right wing tip and vice versa. Venting was a problem with C177’s and that was the solution. Very important to not to park it with selector on both. That could cause fuel to drain out of the opposite vent if not parked perfectly level. It wasn’t, they filled the tanks to the brim and it was leaking out of the fuselage from the leaking vent lines above.
 
I’ve spent quite a bit of time flying into very remote places where an aircraft is the only way in or out (no roads). Never had a problem while doing that, but I always made 110% certain that the aircraft was as prepared as it could possibly be. I always took enough tools and basic spares to get me home if it became necessary. Anything beyond basic stuff would need to get flown in anyway, which isn’t that much different than being stuck in big city USA.


The worst I’ve been stuck for so far was a starter Bendix that hung up and the ring gear wore all the teeth off the gear during the 1 hour flight. That was remedied quickly with a different starter.
 
Better an airport than not. The first engine failure I had I did the "impossible" turn back to the runway. Got a lift back with another pilot. The second time, I ended up in a field outside of Hurt, VA (pilot not).

ME: Hi, honey.
Margy: Hi. Where are you?
ME: In a field.
Margy: An airfield or a field?
ME: A cow field. Start driving. Come up route 29 and I'll give you more details as soon as I figure it out.
 
When I got to the airport next morning fuel was leaking out of it. It was from the crossover vent pipes between the wet wings that had corroded through. Left tank vented at the right wing tip and vice versa. Venting was a problem with C177’s and that was the solution. Very important to not to park it with selector on both. That could cause fuel to drain out of the opposite vent if not parked perfectly level.
The 177 fuel system:

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Those two drain plugs outlined in red? They are mentioned in the 177 Service Manual, Chapter 2, Inspection and Servicing:

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Item #7 above: Fuel vent line drains. They're supposed to be removed and whatever water/fuel/crud in the lines drained out. But they are in the low spots in the lines, just above the lower wing root fairings, meaning that a few screws have to be taken out to remove the fairing. Three minutes, maybe. Too much work, so they get ignored. Maybe some mechanics don't even know they're there.

The Manual also says this:

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So those plugs become an annual item. Like some plugs in other Cessnas, I have found that they have never been out since the airplane was built. It is any wonder that corrosion is a problem?
 
Nosebay door delaminated and threatened to come apart (we have lost 4 Senecas to that, it takes off the empennage) ~ 2018, on my way to a Federal Mtg in San Antonio. Got it down at Fr. Smith- barely made it as I had to fly nose down flaps out to keep the relative wind correct to the nose. Rented a Corolla, Drove to SAT. Drove back to Ft Smith, ordered salvage door. Took Corolla home to IL. Week later drove Corolla to Fr Smith to get airplane.

I'm too old for this S_it.
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The 177 fuel system:

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Those two drain plugs outlined in red? They are mentioned in the 177 Service Manual, Chapter 2, Inspection and Servicing:

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Item #7 above: Fuel vent line drains. They're supposed to be removed and whatever water/fuel/crud in the lines drained out. But they are in the low spots in the lines, just above the lower wing root fairings, meaning that a few screws have to be taken out to remove the fairing. Three minutes, maybe. Too much work, so they get ignored. Maybe some mechanics don't even know they're there.

The Manual also says this:

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So those plugs become an annual item. Like some plugs in other Cessnas, I have found that they have never been out since the airplane was built. It is any wonder that corrosion is a problem?
That is likely what happened. The fuel was coming down from the left side. The right wing had been replaced in the 90’s. It was a 78. So the left side had well more than 10 years on it.
 
2. Came to airplane and nose tire was flat. Had a tube (that I stored from previous experience) and had to get somebody to help me rig up a jack.
How did you rig up a jack in that situation? It’s a skill I’d like to have.
 
The early morning I was supposed to fly to Oshkosh, filled the 172 full to the brim with fuel. As I push the plane back from the pumps, I see fuel is just streaming out of the wings. Mechanic had been messing with the tanks to replace a vent line, and obviously screwed up. Lost quite a lot of fuel on the ramp, scrubbed the flight. Didn't really want to, as my wife was having a family reunion at our house, and there were going to be some people at my house that I would rather not have to entertain.
 
My usual rant.

In 52 posts I counted 2 broken prop cables; how many hours were on them? Engine controls should be replaced at engine overhaul instead of being run to failure.

7 alternator failures, not including the regulator-related failure. Alternators should be opened and inspected every 500 hours (manufacturer recommendations) primarily to make sure the brushes aren't getting ready to fall out and make a mess of the slip rings and trash the whole alternator. Brush wear is the biggest single factor in alternator hassles. A broken alternator wire suggests that annual inspections are a little too casual.

5 Mag failures. Mags, according to their manufacturers, need to be opened and inspected every 500 hours (Slick) or 400 hours (Bendix). There are year limits, too. But they're too often being run until they quit, not a great philosophy for an airplane.

3 failed starters. Most older starters (like Prestolites) that use brushes are typically a 200-hour inspection item, and it can be done in a few minutes with the starter on the engine. The Bendix starter drives used on Lycomings have some very specific maintenance instructions, such as NEVER using oil on them, and cleaning them occasionally and lubricating with dry silicone spray, nothing else. Oil attracts dust, and soon the thing is getting bound up with sludge from the dust (and water, too, reacting with the oil) and it won't engage or won't retract.

In the flight school I had 7 airplanes that flew all over North America and seldom (very seldom) had a failure of any sort on those trips. Once the CO monitor indicated an exhaust leak; found a nearby shop that had a 172 muffler in stock and they sent the mechanic out to replace it. The students brought back the old muffler, and I pressure tested it and found nothing wrong with it at all. A flap control microswitch broke on another airplane and the flaps couldn't be retracted. Again, a shop a couple of hours away had one and replaced it.

I did all the recommended mag, alternator and vacuum pump inspections, and we paid close attention to everything on the airplane on inspections. Getting something fixed far from home is awesomely expensive, and it can tie both the students and the airplane up for days.

So, if you want to minimize the risk of an AOG situation, get that work done on your airplane.

I noticed a lot of tire failures. Details matter; I would want to know why they went flat. Were they trying to warn you by needing reinflating every week? Did hard braking spin the tire on the wheel and tear the tube stem out? Did you run the tire down to its cords? Was the tube a veteran of several tires? They don't last that long. Are the tires checking between the ribs? That lets water and sunlight at the cords and they start to degrade. If they fail, the tire blows out. Did you take off from a slushy runway and the slush froze the brake to the disc while in flight and the tire blew out on landing?

We only had one tire failure, and that was a hard-braking skid that ate though the tread and cords and blew the tube. Not my fault. An hour from home, too. I spent the school's money on replacing marginal tires; it was much cheaper than trying to get another 50 hours out of them and ending up with an AOG.
 
My usual rant.

In 52 posts I counted 2 broken prop cables; how many hours were on them? Engine controls should be replaced at engine overhaul instead of being run to failure.

7 alternator failures, not including the regulator-related failure. Alternators should be opened and inspected every 500 hours (manufacturer recommendations) primarily to make sure the brushes aren't getting ready to fall out and make a mess of the slip rings and trash the whole alternator. Brush wear is the biggest single factor in alternator hassles. A broken alternator wire suggests that annual inspections are a little too casual.

5 Mag failures. Mags, according to their manufacturers, need to be opened and inspected every 500 hours (Slick) or 400 hours (Bendix). There are year limits, too. But they're too often being run until they quit, not a great philosophy for an airplane.

3 failed starters. Most older starters (like Prestolites) that use brushes are typically a 200-hour inspection item, and it can be done in a few minutes with the starter on the engine. The Bendix starter drives used on Lycomings have some very specific maintenance instructions, such as NEVER using oil on them, and cleaning them occasionally and lubricating with dry silicone spray, nothing else. Oil attracts dust, and soon the thing is getting bound up with sludge from the dust (and water, too, reacting with the oil) and it won't engage or won't retract.

In the flight school I had 7 airplanes that flew all over North America and seldom (very seldom) had a failure of any sort on those trips. Once the CO monitor indicated an exhaust leak; found a nearby shop that had a 172 muffler in stock and they sent the mechanic out to replace it. The students brought back the old muffler, and I pressure tested it and found nothing wrong with it at all. A flap control microswitch broke on another airplane and the flaps couldn't be retracted. Again, a shop a couple of hours away had one and replaced it.

I did all the recommended mag, alternator and vacuum pump inspections, and we paid close attention to everything on the airplane on inspections. Getting something fixed far from home is awesomely expensive, and it can tie both the students and the airplane up for days.

So, if you want to minimize the risk of an AOG situation, get that work done on your airplane.

I noticed a lot of tire failures. Details matter; I would want to know why they went flat. Were they trying to warn you by needing reinflating every week? Did hard braking spin the tire on the wheel and tear the tube stem out? Did you run the tire down to its cords? Was the tube a veteran of several tires? They don't last that long. Are the tires checking between the ribs? That lets water and sunlight at the cords and they start to degrade. If they fail, the tire blows out. Did you take off from a slushy runway and the slush froze the brake to the disc while in flight and the tire blew out on landing?

We only had one tire failure, and that was a hard-braking skid that ate though the tread and cords and blew the tube. Not my fault. An hour from home, too. I spent the school's money on replacing marginal tires; it was much cheaper than trying to get another 50 hours out of them and ending up with an AOG.
And my usual retort:

MY ALTERNATOR WAS 3 MONTHS AND 40 HOURS OLD

I had actually voluntarily replaced my 800 hour one to be rewarded with my AOG. The replacement of the AOG one lasted another year or so and 100 hours. People just make crap now.
 
So, if you want to minimize the risk of an AOG situation, get that work done on your airplane.
I had an engine lose oil pressure at around 10 hours after the engine had been changed. The removed engine was still operating well and was only removed because it reached TBO.

Fortunately the other engine was still performing well and got us back to the airport.

Chit happens, new stuff can break.
 
And my usual retort:

MY ALTERNATOR WAS 3 MONTHS AND 40 HOURS OLD

I had actually voluntarily replaced my 800 hour one to be rewarded with my AOG. The replacement of the AOG one lasted another year or so and 100 hours. People just make crap now.
Kelly/Hartzell did terrible work on alternators. The always put way too much grease in the rear bearing and it squeezed out and the spinning rotor flung it around and it got on the slip rings and contaminated them and the brushes with a resistive sludge. There goes the field current and the alternator doesn't work. I don't know how many of those I had apart to fix things properly, after which they would last a normal life. It got so I was opening them BEFORE I installed them. No amount of SDR reporting had any impact on the problem.

One does not need to replace an overtime alternator. If the mechanic has the manual he can do it himself, and do a fine job, if he obeys that manual. I used to have an alternator off, brushes inspected or replaced, and back together and reinstalled in an hour or so.
 
KFRK - Frankfort Indiana. My granddaughter and I were stranded there on our trip back from Shreveport LA to Lansing MI because of weather. The manager, I think his name was Nick was as nice as he could be. He gave us a car for the night and put our plane in the hangar so it didnt get soaked from the rain - no charge. They have a full apartment upstairs with showers, full kitchen downstairs, and plenty of snacks. We ended up going to a hotel but their accommodations are really nice. We make it a point to stop there for fuel now just to say hello and support good airport managers. We need more of them!!
 
And my usual retort:

MY ALTERNATOR WAS 3 MONTHS AND 40 HOURS OLD

I had actually voluntarily replaced my 800 hour one to be rewarded with my AOG. The replacement of the AOG one lasted another year or so and 100 hours. People just make crap now.
But Neal, it was a Kelly. And they are pieces of Sh_t. I'm always on the hunt for cases because....they press fit the rear bearing LOOSE in a worn case and ship it back to you as OH'd. Even with perfect belt alignment, fails in 200 hours. I have learned to keep them in stock! i'd get one and send it immediately to rockford (Aerosystems) for immeidate rework.

IF ONLY they had a competitor.
 
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But Neal, it was a Kelly. And they are pieces of Sh_t. I'm always on the hunt for cases because....they press fit the rear bearing LOOSE in a worn case and ship it back to you as OH'd. Even with perfect belt alignment, fails in 200 hours. I have learned to keep them in stock! i'd get one and send it immediately to rockford (Aerosystems) for immeidate rework.

IF ONLY they had a competitor.
It was a Falcon. He replaced it for me but I had to buy one to get home anyway.
 
A memorable AOG, but could have been a lot worse.

Two of us were enroute from Pennsylvania to Casper WY in a Mooney 201 to attend a four day "must attend" type business affair. The engine suddenly went rough near Davenport Iowa, and I elected to land at Tri-Cities Airport in Moline, IL. Fire trucks followed us in to Elliot Aviation where I left the plane.

Was able to arrange a charter flight in one of Elliot's Barons to St. Louis Lambert and fly commercial to Denver that evening. Rented a car in Denver and drove up to Casper, arriving the hotel around 2:00 am. Made the meeting later that morning.

Was in touch with Elliot as needed that work week. The issue was a loose exhaust valve that thankfully never broke, but mangled the guide and cylinder. They swapped out the cylinder and buttoned it up soon after arriving back at Elliot, as we watched. Test flew, leak checked, and flew home.
 
Just a small inflight engine fire that spread to the wing at 14,000' in a Cessna 401 over NM. Three souls on board, three 8" experimental artillary rounds and no one got a scratch.
A couple of electrical failures in Aztecs, an elevator jackscrew failure on approach in a Citation III, a generator failure that led to loss of oil pressure and a shutdown at 37'000' in a Hawker 800.
 

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