Wyoming mountains get another one

Re: Wyoming mountians get another one

N801BH said:
Just a few miles from the last crash.....

These guys missed clearing the top of the 11,500' mountain by about 4 feet...... On a VFR flight too........... RIP......

http://news.mywebpal.com/index.cfm?pnpid=974

Ben.
www.haaspowerair.com
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Wow, that sucks - RIP.

I've crossed my fair share of high ridges with a good wind blowing across them creating mountain waves. The trick is to give it plenty of altitude clearance (1000' personal minimum, more is better) and approach the ridge at a 45-degree angle so that you only have to execute a 90-degree turn (instead of 180) if things go bad and you need to get back to lower terrain quickly. The downdraft on the leeward side can be surprisingly strong, I've seen 2500fpm down on the back side of the ridges just southeast of ABQ in a 40-knot west wind, not many singles can climb out of that (or twins, for that matter).
 
Re: Wyoming mountians get another one

Here are details of the weather;

000
NOUS55 KRIW 250508
OAVRIW

NOTIFICATION REPORT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE RIVERTON WY
1008 PM MST FRI DEC 24 2010

TO: FORENSIC SERVICES MANAGER (W/OS52)
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE
C/O TELECOMMUNICATIONS GATEWAY
SILVER SPRING, MARYLAND 20910

INFO: NWS CENTRAL REGION HEADQUARTERS W/CR1X3

ALPHA: PILOT.......UNKNOWN
ACFT TYPE...114B COMMANDER SINGLE ENGINE
REG NMBR....N799RS

BRAVO: LOCATION........1 MILE WEST OF CHRISTINA LAKE OR
ABOUT 22 MILES SW OF LANDER IN
THE WIND RIVER MOUNTAINS.
DATE............12/24/10 ESTIMATED
INCIDENT TIME...0030 UTC ESTIMATED

CHARLIE: A DISTRESS SIGNAL (ELT) WAS RECEIVED BY OTHER AIRCRAFT
IN THE AREA SHORTLY AFTER 00Z ON 12/24. SEARCH AND
RESCUE HELICOPTER CREW FOUND THE AIRCRAFT LATE FRIDAY
AFTERNOON. THEY ESTIMATE A TOTAL OF THREE ON BOARD AND
THERE ARE NO SURVIVORS.

DELTA: LANDER HUNT FIELD AIRPORT

METAR KLND 240053Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM CLR 01/M06 A3011 RMK AO2 SLP223
T00061056 FZRANO
METAR KLND 232353Z AUTO 23003KT 10SM CLR 01/M05 A3009 RMK AO2 SLP218
T00061050 10067 20006 53021 FZRANO
METAR KLND 232253Z AUTO 07004KT 10SM CLR 04/M05 A3006 RMK AO2 SLP201
T00391050
METAR KLND 232153Z AUTO 06005KT 10SM CLR 06/M05 A3004 RMK AO2 SLP187
T00561050
METAR KLND 232053Z AUTO 09007KT 10SM CLR 06/M04 A3001 RMK AO2 SLP176
T00611044 53003
METAR KLND 231953Z AUTO 10003KT 10SM CLR 05/M04 A3001 RMK AO2 SLP176
T00501044
METAR KLND 231853Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM CLR 03/M05 A3000 RMK AO2 SLP180
T00331050
METAR KLND 231753Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM CLR 02/M06 A3000 RMK AO2 SLP183
T00171056 10017 21083 51019 FZRANO
METAR KLND 231653Z AUTO 00000KT 9SM CLR M03/M07 A2999 RMK AO2 SLP190
T10331067 FZRANO
METAR KLND 231553Z AUTO 31003KT 10SM CLR M04/M08 A2996 RMK AO2 SLP184
T10441078 FZRANO
METAR KLND 231453Z AUTO 05003KT 10SM CLR M06/M08 A2994 RMK AO2 SLP174
T10561083 53021 FZRANO


ECHO:

TAF
KLND 232339Z 2400/2424 07006KT P6SM SCT100
FM240600 VRB04KT P6SM BKN200=

TAF
KLND 231741Z 2318/2418 VRB04KT P6SM FEW050 SCT090
FM240000 VRB04KT P6SM SCT100
FM240600 VRB04KT P6SM SKC=

TAF
KLND 231123Z 2312/2412 VRB04KT P6SM FEW050 SCT090
FM240000 VRB04KT P6SM SCT100
FM240600 VRB04KT P6SM SKC=


FOXTROT: WINDS ALOFT BASED ON RIW 240000Z SOUNDING
7000 FT WND 03513 KTS
8000 FT WND 32003 KTS
9000 FT WND 28509 KTS
10000 FT WND 30014 KTS
12000 FT WND 30526 KTS
14000 FT WND 33015 KTS
16000 FT WND 31526 KTS
17000 FT WND 31023 KTS
20000 FT WND 32537 KTS
21000 FT WND 32543 KTS
22000 FT WND 30538 KTS
25000 FT WND 30535 KTS


GOLF:

ISSUED AT 232045Z...

AIRMET IFR...ID MT WY UT CO NM
FROM 70ESE DLN TO 50NNE OCS TO 40N CHE TO 50WSW DEN TO 60SW ALS
TO 20NNW JNC TO 60WSW BCE TO 40ESE BVL TO 20E TWF TO 70ESE DLN
CIG BLW 010/VIS BLW 3SM PCPN/BR/FG. CONDS CONTG BYD 03Z THRU 09Z.

AIRMET MTN OBSCN...ID MT WY NV UT CO AZ NM
FROM 50S YXH TO SHR TO CYS TO TBE TO 60W INK TO 20NE SJN TO EED
TO 40SE BAM TO 50SE REO TO 50SW YXC TO 50S YXH
MTNS OBSC BY CLDS/PCPN/BR. CONDS CONTG BYD 03Z THRU 09Z.

AIRMET TURB...WY UT CO AZ NM
FROM 60SW RAP TO 50SSW BFF TO 40W LBF TO 50W LBL TO 30ESE TBE TO
TXO TO 60SSW ABQ TO 40S INW TO 50NE PGS TO 60SSE SLC TO 40NNE
MTU TO 20NE OCS TO 60SW RAP
MOD TURB BTN FL240 AND FL410. CONDS CONTG BYD 03Z THRU 09Z.

ISSUED AT 231445Z...

AIRMET IFR...ID MT WY NV UT CO AZ NM
FROM 70E DLN TO 50SW SHR TO 50SE BOY TO 40ESE CYS TO 20SSW DEN
TO 30SW ALS TO 40SE DVC TO 30ENE DRK TO 30SW ELY TO 20SSW TWF TO
70E DLN
CIG BLW 010/VIS BLW 3SM PCPN/BR. CONDS CONTG BYD 21Z ENDG 21-00Z.
.
AIRMET MTN OBSCN...ID MT WY NV UT CO AZ NM
FROM 60SSW YXH TO SHR TO CYS TO 30SE DEN TO TBE TO 50S TBE TO
50W INK TO EED TO BTY TO 70W BAM TO 50SE REO TO 50SW YXC TO
60SSW YXH
MTNS OBSC BY CLDS/PCPN/BR. CONDS CONTG BYD 21Z THRU 03Z.

AIRMET TURB...ID WY NV UT CO AZ NM
FROM 40W RAP TO 30ESE CYS TO 40W LBF TO 50W LBL TO 30ESE TBE TO
TXO TO 20SW TCS TO 20S PHX TO 40NE LAS TO MLD TO BOY TO 40W RAP
MOD TURB BTN FL240 AND FL410. CONDS CONTG BYD 21Z THRU 03Z.

ISSUED AT 230845Z...

AIRMET IFR...ID MT WY NV UT CO AZ NM
FROM 60W BIL TO 50S BIL TO 70WNW RAP TO 40W LAR TO 30NW ALS TO
40ENE SJN TO 40SSW INW TO 30NW PGS TO 60WNW BAM TO 20W DLN TO
60W BIL
CIG BLW 010/VIS BLW 3SM PCPN/BR. CONDS CONTG BYD 15Z THRU 21Z.

AIRMET MTN OBSCN...ID MT WY NV UT CO AZ NM
FROM 50WSW YXC TO 60ESE YXC TO 20S HLN TO 50E BIL TO CYS TO
30WSW PUB TO 60NNW CME TO ELP TO 50S TUS TO 70WSW TUS TO 40SSW
PHX TO 40SSW FMG TO 40SE LKV TO 50SE REO TO 50WSW YXC
MTNS OBSC BY CLDS/PCPN/BR. CONDS CONTG BYD 15Z THRU 21Z.

AIRMET ICE...ID MT WY NV UT CO AZ NM CA
FROM 20NE BIL TO 100SE MLS TO 70SW RAP TO BFF TO 20SSE SNY TO
40WNW DEN TO 20SSE FTI TO 20ENE ELP TO 50S TUS TO 20SSE PHX TO
40ESE HEC TO BTY TO 60SE BAM TO MLD TO DLN TO 20NE BIL
MOD ICE BTN FRZLVL AND FL240. FRZLVL SFC-110. CONDS CONTG BYD 15Z
THRU 21Z.

AIRMET TURB...ID MT WY NV UT CO AZ NM CA
FROM 50NE HVR TO 50NNW ISN TO 70SW RAP TO BFF TO GLD TO 50W LBL
TO 30ESE TBE TO INK TO ELP TO 50S TUS TO 60WSW TUS TO 60W HEC TO
50NE HVR
MOD TURB BTN FL180 AND FL410. CONDS CONTG BYD 15Z THRU 21Z.

AIRMET TURB...WY UT CO AZ NM
FROM 40WSW CZI TO 70SW RAP TO 20SW AKO TO 40ESE TBE TO 50S TXO
TO ELP TO 50S TUS TO 90SSW PHX TO 50S PGS TO 20WSW MTU TO 40WSW
CZI
MOD TURB BLW FL180. CONDS CONTG BYD 15Z THRU 21Z.


HOTEL: WEATHER BRIEFING/DOCUMENTATION BY UNKN

PREPARED BY WILLIAM MURRELL
FORECASTER RIVERTON WY
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Re: Wyoming mountians get another one

airguy said:
Wow, that sucks - RIP.

I've crossed my fair share of high ridges with a good wind blowing across them creating mountain waves. The trick is to give it plenty of altitude clearance (1000' personal minimum, more is better) and approach the ridge at a 45-degree angle so that you only have to execute a 90-degree turn (instead of 180) if things go bad and you need to get back to lower terrain quickly. The downdraft on the leeward side can be surprisingly strong, I've seen 2500fpm down on the back side of the ridges just southeast of ABQ in a 40-knot west wind, not many singles can climb out of that (or twins, for that matter).
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Problem is that sometime (often?) those downdrafts are a component of a rotor (especially around Santa Fe) and you are doing all that you can just to keep the wheels pointed towards the ground, never mind frivolous things like TURNING. With those winds, I like something closer to 4000' AGL (but an absolute min above 1500)
 
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oldShar said:
Problem is that sometime (often?) those downdrafts are a component of a rotor (especially around Santa Fe) and you are doing all that you can just to keep the wheels pointed towards the ground, never mind frivolous things like TURNING. With those winds, I like something closer to 4000' AGL (but an absolute min above 1500)
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This photo is from yesterday, downwind of the pass in the Organ Mountains near Las Cruces, NM. This is the base of a lenticular cloud. The surface wind was gusting to 40 at the time.

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oldShar said:
Problem is that sometime (often?) those downdrafts are a component of a rotor (especially around Santa Fe) and you are doing all that you can just to keep the wheels pointed towards the ground, never mind frivolous things like TURNING. With those winds, I like something closer to 4000' AGL (but an absolute min above 1500)
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That's why I never flew in the Colorado Rockies when winds were above 15 knots. Just wouldn't go.

Very sad. Lots of aluminum in the Rockies.
 
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Re: Wyoming mountians get another one

You westerners can have your damn rocks. Flatland might not be as pretty, but it doesn't come up to get you either.
 
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SFC winds have been very strong the past several days. It's not like it's a secret.... In mountainous terrain, "...all available information..." can mean life or death.

http://kathrynsreport.com/?p=19347
 
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Wasn't there also a commercial flight that went off the end of the runway a couple days ago??

I was channel surfing past Fox and Megan Kelly was on so I had to oggle for a second, and she mentioned something about a (IIRC) American Airlines flight, overshooting the runway.
 
Capt.Crash'n'Burn said:
Wasn't there also a commercial flight that went off the end of the runway a couple days ago??

I was channel surfing past Fox and Megan Kelly was on so I had to oggle for a second, and she mentioned something about a (IIRC) American Airlines flight, overshooting the runway.
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Yup. I was plowing snow at the FBO and watched it go by and off into the sage brush. It was going 45 -50 mph as it left the runway...:hairraise::hairraise:
Thank god we had a foot of fresh snow that morning to slow it down or it would have "left the building"...:dunno::dunno::eek:

There is more details that should come out soon on the whole fiasco that will have you shaking your head in disbelief. :rolleyes2:

Ben.

Ps. What I thought was really funny was the next morning on one of the cable news shows a American Airlines spokesperson stated the plane came to a rest on a paved portion of the airport............ Yeah right, after they hauled it out of the weeds and towed it back to the ramp. And, it is still sitting there as I type this too. Not bad for a plane the was "not damaged" at all. :cheerswine: :wink2::wink2:. These one line 'press releases' are next to impossible to ever believe.
 
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Re: Wyoming mountians get another one

BudRiggs said:
This photo is from yesterday, downwind of the pass in the Organ Mountains near Las Cruces, NM. This is the base of a lenticular cloud. The surface wind was gusting to 40 at the time.

1141632153_nkrHS-L.jpg
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Looks like something from "Close Encounters" of the Alien kind.
 
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