Why One and Not the Other?

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  1. SkyChaser

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    The thread about the girl flying around the world got me wondering why people are so concerned about percentages of men and women in certain fields, particularly percentage of women involved. It seems like it is more important to people that the percentages be as near to equal as possible instead of having the different fields (aviation, etc.) open to anyone who wishes to pursue them. If it's really important for percentages to be equal in "traditionally male-dominated" fields, why isn't it important that female-dominated fields have balanced percentages? Why don't we have campaigns so men know that they can become nurses? After all, less than 10% of nurses are male. Or teachers or librarians or speech therapists? I'm all for careers being open to everyone, but just don't understand the fixation on percentages.
     
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    I don't understand either. I just keep my mouth shut because I'm a white middle aged balding conservative male. The most hated species on the planet. ;)
     
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    Not intending to go to lock territory...

    My sister, a middle school and high school educator, got upset the other day because on their online portal they had a balding male as an icon for something standing for education or some such. She outcried about the lack of diversity. I was going to point out to her that her field is 75% women and putting a male icon actually IS the diverse thing. But she woulda gone off the rails and I don't need the family drama. Whatever.

    My profession is pretty much 50/50 last I checked.
     
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    Someone isn't "woke" enough. ;)
     
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    I could easily sum it up in one word but it'd be banworthy. but it starts with L and ends with iberals.
     
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    I agree that the fixation on percentages is silly. People can do whatever they want and are capable of with the talents you have.
     
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    It's just people that feel they need to be offended on behalf of other people.
     
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    Is merely writing the word ‘Liberals’, ban able?
     
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    I guess you'll find out! :D
     
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    John Denver once sang some words that fit in here pretty good:

    "But we both know the truth is hard to come by
    And if I told the truth that's not quite true"

    It's time for my IBTL ... :dunno:
     
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    Virtual signaling is now the status quo. Arguing against it is proof you are a caveman. Have you stopped beating your wife? The only way to avoid disapproval is to over compensate in every way.
     
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    CAUTION - you are displaying logic, intelligence, and wisdom. That will put a target on your back. :)
     
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    Does that include people who are offended by others giving recognition and publicity to a young woman's flight around the world? ;)
     
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    FWIW, I think that the pendulum is starting to swing back. I think that people are less willing to be shouted down and less worried about being labeled. There is more pushback.
     
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    Would you criticize someone for starting such a campaign?
     
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    I could easily sum it up in one word but it'd be banworthy. but it starts with C and ends with onservatives.

    I’ll put $5 on the fact that I get banned for this and eman1200 does not.
     
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    I'll take that bet. also, minus 10 points for originality.
     
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    he can keep it and donate it to the "a few more female pilots is gonna save the world" campaign.
     
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    Not a bad idea, there is a local chapter of the Ninety Nines.
     
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    Maybe we should have a straw man award too!
     
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    there ya go. easiest $5 I (n)ever made. ya got any more wagers?
     
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    My GF and I tend to ignore all this foolishness and marvel at the utter stupidity of it all from 5000 feet.
     
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    ... and yet here we are! I should be flying too but the weather said otherwise! o_O

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    Let’s just say that if my profession was not male dominated, I wouldn’t hang out at the bar all hours.
     
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    I hear what you are saying and agree completely. Now for a little history. Here's a scene from the early days of the movement

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    Depends…would the same recognition and publicity go to a young person? ;)
     
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    I think your premise is incorrect. My son applied to colleges with the desire to be a nurse. He was recruited heavily. He got into schools that, if he wasn’t applying to the nursing college, he quite frankly wouldn’t have been able to get in. I also think that the fact that he was a male applying to nursing colleges had them offering much more money than they would have otherwise.
     
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    One might compare the evolution of Equal Rights as one 50 year long Thread Drift. While the original premise remains alive, and valid in my opinion, it has fed on itself, sometimes far enough beyond the original point so as to elicit the discussions we are having today.
     
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    did I miss it being locked?
     
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    First off, wow. LOL

    Nope. It's a free country! Just thought it was weird how one-sided the campaigns seem to be.

    I guess I was referring to active recruitment from the general populace, or publicity campaigns geared towards getting guys interested, if that makes sense. :)
     
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    My favorite example of this is: parenting and childrearing. For a very long time, considered something only women were qualified to do. It is one of the most important jobs there is, despite being completely unpaid and unearning of prestige for much of history. Now that people start to recognize how important of a job it is, more men are getting into it. Campaigns for active fatherhood, and its value, have led to the rise and cultural embrace of the stay-at-home-dad. This was unheard of when I was a kid -- now I know several stay-at-home-dads. I think it's great. The world needs more great dads! I see it as proof that these things ("men's jobs/women's jobs") are cultural, and they can change. And worth fighting to change, even when there are biological factors that may never make the percentages equal.
     
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    Percentages are BS, and meaningless. But it's good that you feel the way that you do about this topic. Normalization is great. But, many women have gone through a lot of aggravation to break into male dominated vocations. It's pretty normal to see women in areas that even twenty years ago they were marginalized by male coworkers. My wife is an engineer who went through a bunch of BS when she was hired in the mid 80s as a young engineer out of school. We have many friends who experienced the same type of BS, specifically, "why aren't you at home raising a family?" and " by taking this job you are putting a guy who has a family to provide for out of work." Cat calls and rude comments were also pretty prevalent. You would expect men to support and cheer on women who do things that previously only a rare few women have done, but there are a lot of peckerhead males out there who for what ever reason, feel the need to denigrate or marginalize. I tell my now in their 20s daughters all the time that they can do whatever they want in this world and don't ever let anyone bully you in the workplace.

    Most men are real men and are not threatened by females in aviation. Unfortunately, like any other industry, there are peckerheads out there, who get a charge out of making others, especially it seems, women, feel terrible. There is a youtuber, Nancy Bradshaw, who posted a video a few months ago, about leaving a job as a 747 pilot, because she ran into a couple of these male peckerheads while in the cockpit. She described in general what they said to her, and she left the job. I went back to the channel to try and find the video to post here, but I couldn't find it. Either it's there or she took it down. If she took it down, I hope it's because someone convinced her to take action against the peckerheads.

    I hope you never run into that type of BS in your life, but if you do, don't take it, fight back. My wife did, fortunately for her it nipped it in the bud by letting them know she wouldn't put up with it, peckerheads are usually cowards.
     
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    Well, we've had two threads about similar efforts, one by a male and one by a female, so the answer would seem to be yes.
     
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    I’m upset that there’s a complete inequality among birds, whether it’s nest building, food gathering, or laying eggs. But what really gets me going is the completely dissimilar plumage between the assigned genders.