Why Continental Airlines can go to hell.

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So I just got back from New Hampshire....listen to this story, see if it irritates you anywhere near as much as it does me.

My sister, my father, and myself flew on Continental Airlines to New Hampshire for my cousin's wedding. Our flight went from ABQ-HOU-CLE-MHT and the return was MHT-EWR-ABQ. The last few times I've flown commercially, things went pretty well, so I was very optimistic on this trip. After the first leg, not a single thing went right. Not a single thing.

In Houston, we sat around, waiting for our flight to board to go to Cleveland. The original departure time came and went, and the board still showed an on time departure. After about 30 minutes of waiting around and hearing "No, no, we're still on time," the board was changed to show the next flight, leaving for Los Angeles. People flipped and started walking up to the counter, where they were met with statements like "Well, we're still telling everyone we're on time so that we can avoid fines from the FAA." I took a picture of the counter and the updated information just in case they continued trying to pull this, but they eventually caved and put our flight back on the board, with a delayed departure time. To the best of my knowledge the flight was delayed because of the LARGE number of handicapped people coming off the flight. Can't blame Contintental for that one, but I do blame them for the attempted deceit. We then boarded and arrived in Cleveland....

My father left Houston to catch his connection in Newark (he took a different route than we did because he booked at a later time). His plane was delayed because of mechanical issues. Continental eventually replaced his plane with a different one, and RUDELY kicked everyone off that plane from the previous flight, saying things like "You're not even supposed to be on this plane, get your bags and get off or we'll escort you out of the airport." My father said the people weren't even putting up an argument at all. Pure hearsay on my part.

For my sister and I, in Cleveland, we now had 7 minutes to get from one gate to another to catch our flight. We ran and just made it in time to hear them say "Look, I don't know how it took you this long to get here, but you need to be seated immediately, you're lucky we held the plane for you!" We had no control over it, we were stuck on their delayed plane. But the plane left and headed to Manchester, NH.

My father, now in Newark, had a 2 hour layover whittled down to a 30 minute layover after the delays. He rushed to his gate, where he was told his flight had moved to a different gate. Upon arrival at the different gate, he was told that the flight never moved gates, and he had to return. He ran back to the original gate, to be told that they were delaying the plane for an additional 10 minutes. 45 minutes later, he was told about another 10 minute delay, and then was not updated for 2 and a half hours. They finally boarded, without explanation, and the plane pushed back and sat. And sat. And sat. And sat. Finally, they taxied for takeoff and made it to Manchester at 3am. His original arrival time was to be 11pm.

The trip in New Hampshire was awesome, as always. I love my family there, and really, really wish that I could be with them more often. It was very relaxing, and I'm very proud that my cousin got married.

But....then came Monday, the 11th. It was time to fly home. Turns out, almost every family member in New Hampshire was flying back on the same flight to go home. For my father, my sister and I, we were to fly from MHT-EWR-ABQ. Simple flight. For my Uncle Jim and his entire family, it was MHT-EWR-LAS. We arrive at the airport to find that the flight from MHT-EWR was canceled due to nasty weather. Understandable, the weather SUCKED. My uncle, standing in front of us, tries to get rebooked, and is told he'll have to leave to Boston, as there are no more flights leaving Manchester that will get him to Las Vegas that day. Also, he's told there is no shuttle and that he'll have to take a cab for $150 to Boston to get there. Since its a weather issue, no compensation. He's livid, but we all calm him down by explaining that it is not an airline issue, its a weather issue.

So he leaves, and my father, sister and I decide to rebook as well. We're told there's a flight leaving here to Newark that leaves in an hour (2 hours before our scheduled flight), and its practically empty. We jump on it, and book ourselves. While standing outside so that my father can smoke, we see about 30 shuttles come and go, each one saying "Manchester to Boston shuttle, $19.99 a group!" Then it occurs to us that my Uncle could have gotten on the same flight as us. Continental has thoroughly screwed my uncle (his cousin went in and tore them a new one, but that's a different story...so proud of him).

So - we're sitting outside, and the flight is listed on the board as leaving at 3:30pm. I look at flight aware and see that they've filed for 6:51pm. I keep figuring they're going to update the board, but they don't. So we figure I'm wrong and we head in, through security, and walk to the gate. They say the flight will leave on time. I ask why they filed the flight plan for a later time and am warned that I am violating security protocol by looking at FAA records, and regardless, I'm wrong.

3:30 comes and goes, and there are no updates. I hear families, with children, trying to decide whether or not they should get food for their kids, but can't decide because we're being told we will leave on time (its past time already). This is the funniest part here: They line us all up to board at around 4:15, they check tickets, get people halfway down the jetway, and then realize there is NO plane parked out there. Yes, they were trying to get people to board a non-existent plane.

I go up again and tell them "Look, why did your dispatchers file the flight plan so late if we're leaving at 3:30? Its 5:10 now. Give us an update." Angry, the lady at the gate calls someone, and then announces to the crowd: "We will now be boarding at approximately 6:15." She looks at me dirty, and away we go. The flight leaves at about this time, so all is good, finally (and I'm still confused on why they withheld this information from everyone).

We arrive in Newark, and sit around waiting for our next flight to leave, we check, and it turns out that the plane is super, duper late anyways. The weather is fine by now, so I have no idea what's going on, but we board, and we arrive in Albuquerque at around 2:30am.

Converting all time to Eastern time, we arrived at the airport at 10am. We arrived in Albuquerque at 2:30am. Unbelievable. I am never flying Continental again, ever ever ever. And I'm writing letters tomorrow.
 
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Re: Why Continental can go to hell.

The legacy carriers will never understand what customer service consist of. Once upon a time, they did. But, that was decades ago... about the time the DC-8 was put into service?
 
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What's your beef, Nick?

Sounds like a routine airline flight to me...:yes:
 
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You gots to get it. It would be a fun job playing with big airplanes if you pesky people would just stop bothering them! :D
 
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Your sister is your cousin?

And it seems you successfully combined your bitching with flying.
 
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Your sister is your cousin?

And it seems you successfully combined your bitching with flying.

LOL on both accounts. Fixed the sister is my cousin bit. And sigh, yes, I'm still bitching :(
 
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Your sister is your cousin?

And it seems you successfully combined your bitching with flying.

Nicks got a really close family. BTW, IIRC, you've managed to combine bitching and flying as well.... "Damn Truck drivers in the way...":p
 
Re: Why Continental can go to hell.

Sounds like a normal day in Newark to me.

Doesn't much matter the airline, EWR is about the worst airport in the US for delays, IMHO even worse than JFK. I've had problems with flights originating or transiting there with CO, DL, AA, and others.

My experiences with CO have been much, much different. The last international flight I took with them was perhaps the best flight I've had on a US-based carrier.

As for the customer service aspect, yep, no legacy carrier does it well. Even the vaunted Southwest has issues from time to time.

Welcome to the world of airline flying. Time for Nick to make some money and buy a CJ2.
 
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Man, what a horrible experience!

On the flip-side, I spent 3 years flying Continental nearly every week, including several round trips of HOU-CLE-MHT or HOU-EWR-MHT. I tried to avoid EWR whenever I could, simply because if someone sneezes at EWR, 45 flights get delayed. Regardless, I never had an experience like that! I hope that this isn't a sign of things to come with that airline - I've always found their service to be far superior than any of the other legacy carriers, and their staff to be very friendly. I've even written letters telling of my most positive experiences with a few employees.

Oh well... you should definitely write that letter - the company should know about their employees behaving in such a way.
 
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After labor day carriers will go under, and no one will miss them.
 
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3This is the funniest part here: They line us all up to board at around 4:15, they check tickets, get people halfway down the jetway, and then realize there is NO plane parked out there. Yes, they were trying to get people to board a non-existent plane.


I'm exhausted just reading your account, what a cluster! But sending people down the jetway with no plane there? :hairraise:


Trapper John
 
Re: Why Continental can go to hell.

What's your beef, Nick?

Sounds like a routine airline flight to me...:yes:
Exactly why is he whining?

Sounds like a typical day for the 'greatest aviation business' in the world. Now do what you did once a month for business and come abck and tell us how great business travel is.

The airlines suck because they can. We let them.

We let them because there is simply no other alternatives.
 
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The airlines suck because they can. We let them.

We let them because there is simply no other alternatives.

Actually, part 135 and part 91 are excellent, yet expensive, alternatives.

Fifty years ago, my mother flew from New York to California for $250. At the time, she was earning about $50 per week, so she spent five weeks pay on a one-way ticket. Only the 'elite' could afford to travel by airline, and the train was the way 'regular' people travelled.

Now, 'regular' people travel by air, and the 'elite' charter or own a plane.
 
Re: Why Continental can go to hell.

Exactly why is he whining?

Sounds like a typical day for the 'greatest aviation business' in the world. Now do what you did once a month for business and come abck and tell us how great business travel is.

The airlines suck because they can. We let them.

We let them because there is simply no other alternatives.

Actually, part 135 and part 91 are excellent, yet expensive, alternatives.
...

Now, 'regular' people travel by air, and the 'elite' charter or own a plane.

Just saw an ad in North Shore Magazine:
http://blueskytaxi.com/

$495 or less for an hour for 3 seats. With captive carriers like Delta @ Cinci you pay that much to go anywhere from the runway.

Now we know why the ATA is trying to outlaw such alternatives.
 
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Darn it.... I read the title and thought you had a problem with the other "continental"
 
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Nick, you should have taken Southwest- they don't rely upon hubs, which are (generally) the producing cause of substantial, cascading delays such as those you endured. In addition, when they have irregular ops because of of WX, etc., they are very good at keeping the passengers informed and at accommodating them with alternate flights.

That said, I also have found Continental to be head and shoulders better than the other Texas-based mega carrier, AA. YMMV.
 
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Darn it.... I read the title and thought you had a problem with the other "continental"

What is the other Continental (I know when I hear it I'm going to smack my forehead).

And the big complaint I've had about the whole thing is the way my Uncle was treated, and the lack of information given out. The mere fact that they had filed the flight plan for 3 hours later and refused to let people know boggles my mind. Sending people down the jetway without a plane was just hillarious. LOL.
 
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What is the other Continental (I know when I hear it I'm going to smack my forehead).

Ahh, if only more people thought like you! :yes:

You know, that company that power's Dave S's P-Baron? Hint hint? ;)

Seriously, though, that sounds like a worse experience than I've ever had. That said, my experiences have been bad enough that I'm done flying commercial if I can at all avoid it.
 
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You know, that company that power's Dave S's P-Baron? Hint hint? ;)
And my Zodiac? O-200?

Seriously, though, that sounds like a worse experience than I've ever had. That said, my experiences have been bad enough that I'm done flying commercial if I can at all avoid it.
Yeah. Unfortunately, I can't avoid it; fortunately, while Northwest's not a lot better than the other legacy carriers, they're no worse, either.

I absolutely refuse to fly Southwest, and will pay extra out of my own pocket if that's what it takes. I'm quite happy they don't serve MSP.
 
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Nick, it sounds like the dis-information system USAir had in place at Philadelphia a few years back. I can't confirm that it still exists, is better, or worse now as I have sworn off USAir for this and other reasons.

There were three information systems visible to the ordinary man. First was a large board in the common area that was maintained by the City of Phila. with information for all airlines. It was updated .... so I am told. The information on it was quite stale and provided one source of irritatingly wrong information. USAir shrugged it off "Oh, that board is the responsibility of the City. We can't do anything about it."

Secondly, was the smaller boards in the gate area. Those were USAir controlled and sadly, were also full of stale information. But not as stale as the big board. Wrong nevertheless.

Thirdly, if you walked up to the side of the desk, with sharp eyes you could read the gate agent's console. That had allegedly current information. But somebody at USAir had to decide to flow that information through to the screens the cattle were supposed to view.

I remember waiting for a severely delayed flight. All of a sudden it just disappeared from the boards. "Oh, that flight is still running. When it gets past 4 hours late it just auto-deletes." :mad::mad::mad:

-Skip
 
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If you went through HOU then you didn't fly on Continental as they do not serve HOU only IAH. I'm just kidding with you. Sadly, Continental's current management team has done a whole lot to undo what Bethune did to turn Continental around and create a great product. Bethune once said that if you take to much off of the pizza then no one will want it. I don't think that Larry and the boys care too much.
 
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(Laughing), I have an AI budy who bought a ticket on SWA from SJC to SLC expecting a stop in LAS. What SWA didnt tell him or a couple dozen other pax was that there was also a stop in ONT. It literally took him an entire day to complete an hour and 15 minute flight on any other airline. Several of the pax going to SLC deplaned in ONT and took another airline.
I sometimes bum a ride home to RNO (Depending on when I sign out) on SWA out of DIA . When the WX gets below Southwest's mins and everyone else is still arriving and departing ontime it is fun to stand within earshot of the counter and listen to the agents explain why every other airline is ontime and SWA isnt. Talk about lies and half truths !!
I guess everyone has an airline nightmare story and SWA is no different.
Frank
Didn't he look at the arrival time?

Really if a 1:15 minute flight shows an arrival 10 hours after you took off something is up.
 
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Sorry, I wasnt very clear on this. My point was that when he (And several other customers) bought the ticket SWA said that there would be one stop and that was LAS. When he shows up at the airport it turns out that there were actually two stops. Whith a 1 to 2 hour layover at each stop the flight (when direct on UA, VA or DAL takes 1HR 15 min) took him all day. This isnt the first time I have heard of this happening on SWA. When I ask why he flew SWA he said he saved 80 bucks. I know what he charges me to work on my planes and by missing a days work he sure didnt "save" 80 bucks.
FB

I dunno how you wouldn't know about the stops. It is on the itinerary, and SWA turns planes in 20 minutes. If you had to change planes you'd see that as a change in flight numbers. When I book online I don't choose the 10 hour adventures.

Me thinks it's like my co-workers. They keep scrambling to present the information in another form when the ones who are complaining absolutely will not or cannot read it in any form.
 
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I dunno how you wouldn't know about the stops. It is on the itinerary, and SWA turns planes in 20 minutes. If you had to change planes you'd see that as a change in flight numbers. When I book online I don't choose the 10 hour adventures.

Me thinks it's like my co-workers. They keep scrambling to present the information in another form when the ones who are complaining absolutely will not or cannot read it in any form.

Mike,

Southwest occasionally (not often) deals with canceled flights or other disruptions by making an unscheduled stop on a through flight.

For example, there was a weather disruption that forced the cancellation of the inbound for an LAX to SAT flight one time - WN put many of those passengers on a LAX-HOU flight, then stopped at SAT to drop them off. Added 10-15 minutes to the trip, but got the SAT folks home rather than having to reroute them on otherwise full planes. They'll sometimes do the same to pick up passengers at an intermediate city if their flight is disrupted.
 
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If you went through HOU then you didn't fly on Continental as they do not serve HOU only IAH. I'm just kidding with you. Sadly, Continental's current management team has done a whole lot to undo what Bethune did to turn Continental around and create a great product. Bethune once said that if you take to much off of the pizza then no one will want it. I don't think that Larry and the boys care too much.

Now it's my turn to smack my forehead! I live here in Houston and I didn't even pick that up! I'll chalk it up to the fact that I had not yet had coffee prior to posting that...
 
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And my Zodiac? O-200?

Well yes, but your Zodiac could also have come with a Rotax, the P-Baron's only came with the TSIO-520s, at least as far as I know. My understanding is the only Baron to come factory with Lycomings was the 56TC, with the TIO-541s at 380 hp each (can you say "massive fuel burn"?). :)
 
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Tss tss...

I'm really surprised by all this nonsense...

Haven't you heard ? GA is to blame for the airlines' difficulties, delays, hiccups, bankruptcy, lame management, etc - everybody knows that...
 
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Tss tss...

I'm really surprised by all this nonsense...

Haven't you heard ? GA is to blame for the airlines' difficulties, delays, hiccups, bankruptcy, lame management, etc - everybody knows that...

GA?

You mean those Fat Cats heading off for an important Tee Time...
 
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Now, now ! There is a Lycoming Airline too ?

Or are we talking about the Continental tyre company ?
 
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Well yes, but your Zodiac could also have come with a Rotax, the P-Baron's only came with the TSIO-520s, at least as far as I know. My understanding is the only Baron to come factory with Lycomings was the 56TC, with the TIO-541s at 380 hp each (can you say "massive fuel burn"?). :)

Well, dayamm! Is my Zodiac missing something?

HR
 

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Nick,

I've pretty much never had a problem with any airline flight I've been on, but even so I've avoided airlines like the plague since 2003. Even when everything goes right, GA kicks the airlines' butt in everything except cost and (somewhat) reliability (due to weather, mostly for VFR pilots).

I say, go GA next time! Is there anything bigger/faster than a 172 for rent near you?
 
Nick,

I've pretty much never had a problem with any airline flight I've been on, but even so I've avoided airlines like the plague since 2003. Even when everything goes right, GA kicks the airlines' butt in everything except cost and (somewhat) reliability (due to weather, mostly for VFR pilots).

I say, go GA next time! Is there anything bigger/faster than a 172 for rent near you?

There is not, but either way, GA is out for at least another 6 months for me. This has definitely opened my eyes though. I gotta own again, somehow.
 
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