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Discussion in 'Hangar Talk' started by Sluggo63, Sep 29, 2021.
open carry could be a bit like wearing a target on your back
I seem to agree but that might depend on whether you are built like pee wee herman or the hulk ...
1911 lightweight commander
Kahr PM9. My wife and I carry the same gun so it makes it easy.
How do you conceal it when you’re both carrying it? Is one of you holding the grip and one the muzzle? Sounds dangerous....
Yep, that’s why cops and soldiers don’t carry openly.
They take turns. One of them always stays home protecting the house with an Uzi
I haven't given it a great deal of thought, but it is nice to know that concealed carry is a option. Before NYSPRA v. Bruen, Maryland effectively prohibited legal concealed carry (unless you were a politician or otherwise connected). They will no doubt at least try to continue with that for a while.
You can expect new hoops. Some states are going to require several letters of reference from non-relatives. Some will have a "good moral character" clause requiring a lengthy and intrusive investigation (CA seems to be moving that way). Some will require that you be interviewed by the chief of police or the sheriff (good luck getting a time on their calendar). Some states will have all sorts of limits on places you can carry and make it illegal to leave your firearm unattended in a vehicle (NY will likely do this), making it virtually impossible to go anywhere armed.
Bruen was a good win, and Thomas wrote an outstanding opinion, but jurisdictions that are determined to outlaw carry will find new ways to do so. Those regs may also get overturned eventually, but that will take many years and lots of money.
There are currently two federal cases against MDs 'good and substantial' requirement at the appeals level that are 'held in abeyance' pending the NYRPA case. Now that it has been decided, the court has set a status hearing for Aug 4th. The state will have to decide whether they want to make the case moot by adhering to the supreme court decision or whether they want their entire licensing scheme thrown out via injunction.
Isn't the MD law severable? Could the court not simply invalidate the "good and substantial reason" portion?
I should say 'run the risk of getting their scheme tossed'.
MD already has a carry permit, not that hard to get if you own a legitimate business with a physical location and demonstrated cash flow. 16hr class, references , chief of police signoff etc. Reading the decision, some of these may not survive a test for only objective criteria. The state may try to preserve the rest by just giving in on G&S.
"not that hard to get if..."
do I detect some sarcasm?
In komnifornia it is "usually" up to the Sheriff, but city police chiefs can issue. Most of the time it is passed to the counties elected sheriff. Fortunately many sheriffs (in our area) issue for personal protection and nothing more needed. You will have to go through a background check, fill out paper work, finger print, take a 16 hour class and a renewal 4 hour class every two years. None of this is free. This CCW is good anywhere in komnifornia, they can not refuse your carry. Of course there are restricted areas like post offices, courts, federal building, etc. Believe it or not you can carry at an airport in the baggage claim area, etc. but not passed the security area which you would never get passed anyway.
Hogue Knives 54050 HK Mini Incursion. One hand operation is handy...
I hope to finally obtain the Maryland concealed carry. We shall see....
No. There is a process and if you fill the boxes you get the permit. It's not like NY where personal connections and graft are a required part of the process.
Sure, just like any other right in the Constitution. No different from getting a book permit or having the local sheriff approve your church attendance.
and if you don't own a business?
Then it's things like a restraining order against a violent ex husband or documented threats against your specific person. Much harder. But again, the process is there and once you check the other boxes they do issue permits. You don't have to be 'white and buddy buddy with the sheriff' to qualify for a permit. The process is stupid and unconstitutional but consistently so.
They're joined at the hip.
I was surprised recently when a family friend showed me his new knife at a recent get-together. It was a really nice Benchmade. Push a button, blade pops out. I could have sworn switchblades were illegal. And no, he's not a LEO or armed forces member, never has been.
I was too...looking at guns in a Bass Pro shop a while back, lady pulls one of these out to open a box for me, and I took immediate notice. Thinking she might be from the hood or something. I remember very well asking her is that really legal? As it turns out I couldn't afford Benchmade but am very happy with a couple of the Hogue/HK knives I bought for about the same total as a Benchmade. Highly recommended. Carry a Hogue with me all the time. Amazing how useful they are. I never would have guessed.
As I understand it, switchblade knives are illegal to sell in interstate commerce. Some sellers get around this by assembling their knives in the state where it will be sold. State laws regarding possessing or carrying switchblades vary considerably. Here in Florida they’re legal.
Pretty dumb to outlaw them, IMHO. How a knife unfolds doesn’t make it any more “dangerous” as a weapon.
So what was her response?
More info here:
I'm switching my concealed carry to be a semi-trailer.
The ones I have are "Out The Front" (OTF) knives which may or not have a loophole, don't know. They are much more fun to operate. People's eyes get bigger when you hold it up and hit that button.
A polite laugh, like I was a goober for not knowing something so obvious.
Fun fact: California allows OTF knives, but only with 2 inch blades or less. My Micro Incursion has a CA legal blade, and I was surprised that I don't need a bigger one most of the time.
my point was that it is hardly easy.
Still sounds like you have to show “need,” which is what the USSC just tossed out so hopefully that will change.
For what other right do you have to state a need before exercising it?
Yes dear, at this time the state is 'may issue' and you have to show a need. While other states like NJ have already issued guidance that they are removing that requirement, MD has only put out a statement that they are reviewing the situation. The AG of MD has a history of ignoring adverse court decisions, so I don't anticipate that they will go down easily. It may well require a few more rounds in the federal courts before they comply.
The point is that there is an established process and all that needs to happen is for the state police to put through applications that left the 'reason' for the permit blank or simply state 'self defense'.
Outside of the G&S requirement it isn't much. The class is longer than what other states require, but training requirements got the explicit nod in the courts decision, I doubt that will go away. Same with the requirement for fingerprints, references and a phone interview.
By regulation, MSP is required to issue the permit within 90 days. A bunch of people who already had the class etc. submitted yesterday, we'll see whether the licensing division will process those and whether there will be an official update prior to that deadline.
There was an interesting case when a fellow was able to get a CC permit when a criminal was threatening him and his family. Criminal was arrested, convicted and imprisoned. Fellow went to renew his CC permit and was told no, you don't need it because the guy who was threatening you is in prison. A little time goes by, and the criminal is released from prison. No one tells the guy. Criminal hunts down the guy and kills him. That's the Maryland state government in action.
Betcha said criminal shot the guy, too.
But, but, but it would be illegal for the criminal to have a gun!
Those are the things that make your blood boil and want politicians to be held accountable.
Yet, of the real things that should make your blood boil and affect all of us, we can't even f*********I*ing talk about it here so who F******ing CARES!!!!!!!
The amazing thing is that people are losing their minds over that decision, and in 23 states that already have Constitutional Carry, it won't make a bit of difference. If the result would be so disastrous, why haven't those 23 states already seen it? Many of them are the safest and most polite places around. What people don't seem to recognize is that criminals are criminal because they don't obey the law. The law that prohibits me from carrying a firearm is just another one they don't obey.
Some people have argued that people in fear are easy to control, and if you remove their ability to protect themselves, that makes them even more easy to control.
I'm just saying that is what I read, that is all. Maybe it is a bunch of bunk. Yeah, I'm sure it is that.