What if I do not remember Doctors Visits?

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Next week I have my medical scheduled. I am filling in the MedXpress on the FAA site. It asks for all Doctors visits in the past 3 years. What if I do not remember all of my past appointments? Is this going to cause any problems?
 
Call the Docs and ask. (Mine gave me crap for not coming in often enough. Ha.)

And then start a new habit of keeping a note log somewhere.

The five year 3rd Class is interesting. You have to report 3 years of visits.

Think about that one for a sec.

Okay, now that you've had your government face palm for the day, carry on! :)
 
If you fail to include a visit and the FAA finds out you'll face a disciplinary action and have to hire an attorney to represent you at $200/hour. Expect a minimum of 100 hours of attorney time. I'm just anticipating a certain poster telling you something similar.




















Not really :wink2:
 
Call the Docs and ask. (Mine gave me crap for not coming in often enough. Ha.)

And then start a new habit of keeping a note log somewhere.

The five year 3rd Class is interesting. You have to report 3 years of visits.

Think about that one for a sec.

Okay, now that you've had your government face palm for the day, carry on! :)

Why is that a face-palm?
They only ask for 3 years on the initial app - and have found this to be sufficient for vetting perfect strangers. Why ask for more on a 5-year medical renewal?
 
Make your best effort, including going through medical and insurance records, and making some calls to the practitioners those records say you visited. If after all that you still miss one, unless it's that one visit with your one diagnosis of epilepsy or schizophrenia or the like that you didn't mention in block 18, it won't be a big deal.
 
Why is that a face-palm?
They only ask for 3 years on the initial app - and have found this to be sufficient for vetting perfect strangers. Why ask for more on a 5-year medical renewal?

Well, they're checking it against "the tapes" as Doc calls them...

Points:

They have the data from the insurance coding clearinghouses anyway, so why ask at all? Ahh... Because they want to know if you did something outside of that system...

So if they're going to ask, why skip two of the years covered by the medical?

Think about it... You get a five year, then go outside the U.S. insurance system for medical care (even if unintentional - say you're living overseas), and then don't report those visits in that first two years.

Yes. Perjury. Stupid. Good way to get in trouble. But they don't have the data to prove it.

Seems to this engineering brain, they built a hole into their system simply by not changing the stupid form to say 5 years. The folks on shorter schedules would simply write "PRNC" for the stuff they'd already reported, and the hole would be closed.

It's my systems engineering brain pointing this out to me... Which I will point out, before someone tells me that Budda says I shouldn't speak of Bad Things(TM) or it makes me an evil perjurer... Like the poor dude in the Hobbs thread... that...

I didn't make the system, I'm just analyzing it for stupidity. :)

Government loves poorly thought out forms. I always love the emergency contact forms that ask for blood type. No Doc on the planet is going to stuff blood in your body without typing you in today's world. But it's still on every form created back in the 1940s.

Either the FAA Docs trust their system of cross-checks against insurance data or they don't. Remove the reporting or make it match the length of time since the last application are the only two sane options, anything else is dumb.
 
Think about it... You get a five year, then go outside the U.S. insurance system for medical care (even if unintentional - say you're living overseas), and then don't report those visits in that first two years.

Yes. Perjury. Stupid. Good way to get in trouble. But they don't have the data to prove it.

Is it perjury to fail to answer a question that is not asked?

Of course, you still need to answer the questions about what conditions you have had.
 
Make your best effort, including going through medical and insurance records, and making some calls to the practitioners those records say you visited. If after all that you still miss one, unless it's that one visit with your one diagnosis of epilepsy or schizophrenia or the like that you didn't mention in block 18, it won't be a big deal.


There goes my Saturday. It is what it is. If I can not find everything. Do I keep my mouth shut, or do I just tell the Examiner that I never thought of keeping all that information?
 
There goes my Saturday. It is what it is. If I can not find everything. Do I keep my mouth shut, or do I just tell the Examiner that I never thought of keeping all that information?
If you read what you're signing, it says that the information is true and correct to the best of your knowledge. If you've done your best, you should feel comfortable signing it. After that, answer the questions you are asked, and if you aren't asked, don't answer.
 
If you read what you're signing, it says that the information is true and correct to the best of your knowledge. If you've done your best, you should feel comfortable signing it. After that, answer the questions you are asked, and if you aren't asked, don't answer.

Thank you Ron, I feel better now!
 
Is it perjury to fail to answer a question that is not asked?

Of course, you still need to answer the questions about what conditions you have had.

Great point.

I only really realized the length of time is broken when I called my Doc and got a list of visits.

I assumed the five years, wrote them all down in my notes, and then when I went to do MedXpress, I read carefully and it said three years.

So I dropped one of the visits. As you say, it wasn't asked for.

Conditions section, yeah... obviously that can catch things too.

The visits section just seems superfluous. If they're leaving two out of five years out anyway, what's the point? It was mostly just a waste of time to call my Doc, and a waste of his nurse's time. And I felt bad about that, but my own notes were missing.

(Folder in the filing cabinet was empty. I don't remember why I pulled the visit sheets out of there, but I didn't put them back, and have no idea where they wandered off to. They'll turn up in a different folder, filed wrong, most likely.)
 
If you fail to include a visit and the FAA finds out you'll face a disciplinary action and have to hire an attorney to represent you at $200/hour. Expect a minimum of 100 hours of attorney time. I'm just anticipating a certain poster telling you something similar.



$200 an hour? Perish the thought ,. . . .
 
@Nate: Honestly - you NEED to start keeping a notebook with all of your labwork and a sheet with all medical provider visits and the reason.

As Dr. Bruce will tell you- you need to own your medical - even if you are healthy. Seeing an AME is one of the situations where you NEVER go unless you know with 100% certainty you are walking out of there with a piece of paper . . .

plus, if you ever have a significant medical event you can bring that binder with you to whatever specialist you will see - but never never never let them keep it . They will lose it. Its one of the certainties in life.
 
@Nate: Honestly - you NEED to start keeping a notebook with all of your labwork and a sheet with all medical provider visits and the reason.

Yeah it's all in the folder. I probably pulled the wellness visits to look at something insurance related and mis-filed them.

Karen says I'm annoyingly healthy. My labs are boring, with slightly elevated cholesterol, and my most major medical event so far was a bout of constipation so bad the doc kept ordering tests all the way to a CT scan.

He probably wouldn't have bothered but knew my history prior to that was a nasty intestinal infection a decade before from dental antibiotics. So I think he just wanted multiple views of my guts. :)

He was happy to pronounce me "just full of ****" (yeah, I think he liked saying that) and to go away and get more fiber in my diet. Haha.

And of course to go lose weight. Always that.
 
Matt, consequences of omission really depend on if the condition being unreported is aeromedicallly significant. When you bend metal there is a "screening investigation" of your diagnosis codes. If you have a code that can't be explained by the types of docs you listed (e.g, a neurosurgical code and you only listed family docs) you're in a heap of trouble. etc etc.

But if you neglected a visit for the common cold, I'll just snore a bit about it....
 
odds are if you can't remember it it wasn't worth reporting anyway
 
It is easy to remember if one simply never goes for a Dr. visit...
 
Looking at the same question from the other end, how about those who need to get their medicals every (6 mos, 1 yr, 2 yr). When it asks for the 3 years of medical visits, at least 1 year of which they've already reported, can they just put in a line to the effect of "visits prior to (xx mos ago) previously reported" or do they need to re-enter all of those, along with the addresses and phone numbers (since MedXpress doesn't populate that for you)?
 
Why is that a face-palm?
They only ask for 3 years on the initial app - and have found this to be sufficient for vetting perfect strangers. Why ask for more on a 5-year medical renewal?

Fine, why ask for three years when some of us have to go every two years?
 
It is easy to remember if one simply never goes for a Dr. visit...

Yep.:D Luckily my AME also does my USGG and UK/MCA ENG1 physicals (one of the two people in the US allowed to do the ENG1) and is the local guy I see if I want real medical advice. This last year though I did expand a bit when another doc in the box openned up in the same strip mall with great rates on testing, so I had a pretty thorough work up done.
 
I received my 3rd Class Medical today. The AME was actually a really good guy. No questions about the history not going back three years. I brought some records from blood tests results I had within 90 days for something way in the past, that would show not an issue. Didn't need them, he just asked what was determined, and took my word for it. Other than that, very friendly, and interesting to talk to since he is a pilot and airplane owner.

Someone mentioned this to me earlier by PM, but I am going to say it now.
I was originally training for a sport license, but switched to going after the private. A medical certificate was not required for the LSA aircraft. My solo time does count. Just in case anyone was worried about me.
 
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Matt, I just got a guy a ~32 Caterpillar technical staffer, certified, with a history of ADD. He spent the big $$s for the high level neuropsych eval. and came out clean. He was a frustrated LSA pilot with a lot to lose... and he did well.

Thank you Dr. R.C. (Medical Officer, CAMI) for seeing it my way :) :) :)
His hours also count (he had a not-limited CFI).
 
Matt, I just got a guy a ~32 Caterpillar technical staffer, certified, with a history of ADD. He spent the big $$s for the high level neuropsych eval. and came out clean. He was a frustrated LSA pilot with a lot to lose... and he did well.

Thank you Dr. R.C. (Medical Officer, CAMI) for seeing it my way :) :) :)
His hours also count (he had a not-limited CFI).

Thank you for your advice via email. I felt like I was well prepared.
 
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