what advice to give to an 18 year old

Apparently an 18 year old "man" with an affinity for minors.
 
True that. The guys couldn't be creeps is girls didn't allow them to be.
 
SbestCFII said:
True that. The guys couldn't be creeps is girls didn't allow them to be.
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The guy was apparently 20 and some guys can definitely manage to be creepy without cooperation from any girls. Unfortunately, there are many such stories that involve anything from flashing to befriending and then trying something.
 
Sigh - I got the police report today. Its even worse. The "girl" was 12. He admitted everything when arrested, after being read his miranda rights.

Open and shut.
 
SkyHog said:
Sigh - I got the police report today. Its even worse. The "girl" was 12. He admitted everything when arrested, after being read his miranda rights.

Open and shut.
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Is that what the police or prosecutor told you, or is that what your high-priced lawyer told you? You may get vastly different advice and vastly different outcomes based on the answer.
 
JOhnH said:
Is that what the police or prosecutor told you, or is that what your high-priced lawyer told you? You may get vastly different advice and vastly different outcomes based on the answer.
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Pertinent details in the police report:

1. It was a very descriptive conversation that occurred beforehand online between the 20 year old and the non-existent girl
2. Upon arrest, the officers read him his Miranda rights, and he proceeded to admit to everything.
3. The fake girl was 12, not 15, which means there's no longer any grey area, and this is just a case of cold, hard dirtiness, and no one will give sympathy for it.

He's not getting a lawyer because he can't afford it. He's going with a Public Defender, which I can imagine will go pretty well for him....
 
He got himself int it, but if he shuts up and thru his lawyer denies having ANY intention of a tryst with a 15 year old, says he thought it might be fun to meet her and try to reason with her the dangers of this type of meet up and refuses to drawn into any the rdiscussion, it will collapse on it's own.
 
Florida Cracker said:
He got himself int it, but if he shuts up and thru his lawyer denies having ANY intention of a tryst with a 15 year old, says he thought it might be fun to meet her and try to reason with her the dangers of this type of meet up and refuses to drawn into any the rdiscussion, it will collapse on it's own.
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Negative, if the conversations go the way Chris Hansen says they do, there's not a jury or judge on earth who'd buy that.
 
SkyHog said:
Pertinent details in the police report:

1. It was a very descriptive conversation that occurred beforehand online between the 20 year old and the non-existent girl
2. Upon arrest, the officers read him his Miranda rights, and he proceeded to admit to everything.
3. The fake girl was 12, not 15, which means there's no longer any grey area, and this is just a case of cold, hard dirtiness, and no one will give sympathy for it.

He's not getting a lawyer because he can't afford it. He's going with a Public Defender, which I can imagine will go pretty well for him....
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As the father of two daughters, one of which is 11, trust me he is getting off light! I assure you if he showed up at our house "courting" our soon to be 12 year old his fate would have been worse. although I would be the one facing charges (and happily so if it protected my child).

Sorry I have zero sympathy for this situation, he is a predator.

Fortunately, my daughters and wife are all blackbelts and continue to train. So we believe they have enough confidence in themselves to not be reaching out to scum on the internet. The 11 year can start dating when she becomes a 4th DAN and not a minute before.
 
Florida Cracker said:
He got himself int it, but if he shuts up and thru his lawyer denies having ANY intention of a tryst with a 15 year old, says he thought it might be fun to meet her and try to reason with her the dangers of this type of meet up and refuses to drawn into any the rdiscussion, it will collapse on it's own.
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The "15 year old" was actually a "12 year old" and the suspect is 20. Me thinks he's screwed, and rightfully so. When he was 18 and the "girl" was 15 I had a little compassion/sympathy for him, but 20/12 sorry charlie, you're going to big boy jail.
 
N747JB said:
The "15 year old" was actually a "12 year old" and the suspect is 20. Me thinks he's screwed, and rightfully so. When he was 18 and the "girl" was 15 I had a little compassion/sympathy for him, but 20/12 sorry charlie, you're going to big boy jail.
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I feel the same way too. Its amazing how the story got progressively worse and worse.

18 vs. 15? Meh, I can see how that could happen.
20 vs. 15? That's bad, but immaturity makes one do stupid things
20 vs. 12? That's disgusting, and I don't think there's a person in the world that would feel its appropriate.

My opinion? He's going to jail, will get a Felony (2nd degree, if I'm not mistaken), will be on the sex offender's list for the rest of his life, and will probably never recover. And he's still getting off easy.
 
SkyHog said:
I feel the same way too. Its amazing how the story got progressively worse and worse.

18 vs. 15? Meh, I can see how that could happen.
20 vs. 15? That's bad, but immaturity makes one do stupid things
20 vs. 12? That's disgusting, and I don't think there's a person in the world that would feel its appropriate.

My opinion? He's going to jail, will get a Felony (2nd degree, if I'm not mistaken), will be on the sex offender's list for the rest of his life, and will probably never recover. And he's still getting off easy.
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I'm sorry to hear that these were the actual circumstances, and I agree with your assessment.

The scary part is that it is not always easy to tell who these types of folks are until they get busted. I have a former co-worker and a cousin who each served a couple of years for similar busts. In each case, it was the last person that I would have expected to be doing that.
 
The only issue I see here(as one who has a daughter) is that the offender will be followed electronically for life. While I have no sympathy for his plight in prison, by the time he gets out he may be a completely different person. Attaching a child molester tattoo for the rest of his life pretty much assures he will recede, and maintain his burden to society.

Sorry, but I have serious philosophical problems with this.
 
Nick, where do you come up with all this stuff? You seem like a nice guy, but your posts come off like you are a in the middle of a free-floating hive of scum and villainy.
 
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How about this defense: "When she said she was 12, and was interested in having sex with without even meeting me in person, I knew she was law enforcement. But the banter was so witty and appealing that I still wanted to meet the officer that I was chatting with and ask her out for a date."

Otherwise, I got nothin'. Sorry.
 
PPC1052 said:
How about this defense: "When she said she was 12, and was interested in having sex with without even meeting me in person, I knew she was law enforcement. But the banter was so witty and appealing that I still wanted to meet the officer that I was chatting with and ask her out for a date."

Otherwise, I got nothin'. Sorry.
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It sounds like it's too late for that defense! The original story and the 3 year age difference is not a good thing, but the 12/20 thing is creepy and perverted. Lot's of 15 year olds have sex with 17-18 year olds, just look at any high school, but 12 year olds!!!!!!!!!! :no::no:
 
N747JB said:
The "15 year old" was actually a "12 year old" and the suspect is 20. Me thinks he's screwed, and rightfully so. When he was 18 and the "girl" was 15 I had a little compassion/sympathy for him, but 20/12 sorry charlie, you're going to big boy jail.
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I agree.
 
I have a very good friend who's daughter is 15 and I am content to call her my niece. If a 20 year old came to "date" her, my good friend and myself would make that 20 year old regret his decision.
 
SkyHog said:
.......My opinion? He's going to jail, will get a Felony (2nd degree, if I'm not mistaken), will be on the sex offender's list for the rest of his life, and will probably never recover. And he's still getting off easy.
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Agreed... This guy is TOAST..:yes::(......

There is something like 3+ billion females in the world and I bet more then a billion are legal aged and would be consenting... Why aim for a 12 year old...:dunno::mad2::mad:
 
I never closed this one off...

He pled guilty. Was put on a "secret sex offenders list" for 10 years that is not searchable by the public. He had to serve 3 years probation with limited travel.

He got off easy. And he is not allowed around my children alone (that's my rule).
 
This age thing got me wondering:

What would have happened if he showed up, and HE turned out to be a minor? Does anybody get in trouble for luring HIM into that situation?
 
Matthew said:
This age thing got me wondering:

What would have happened if he showed up, and HE turned out to be a minor? Does anybody get in trouble for luring HIM into that situation?
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Also, if a 15 year old is too young to consent then logically two 15 year olds having sex are committing statutory rape on each other. And you thought a teen pregnancy was going to be your big worry...
 
bflynn said:
Also, if a 15 year old is too young to consent then logically two 15 year olds having sex are committing statutory rape on each other.
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Every now and then you read about police arresting teens for child porn for sexting. Talk about being unclear on the concept.
 
Matthew said:
This age thing got me wondering:

What would have happened if he showed up, and HE turned out to be a minor? Does anybody get in trouble for luring HIM into that situation?
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Well played sir
 
James331 said:
Well played sir
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Yeah, a bunch of 40 +/- year old perverts are trying to lure a minor to them so they can have sex with him. Why don't they just drive around the neighborhood in a van and ask kids if they want to see a puppy?
 
Gerhardt said:
Every now and then you read about police arresting teens for child porn for sexting. Talk about being unclear on the concept.
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I've always wondered how you can arrest a minor and charge him as an adult for committing an act to which he is unable to legally consent by reason of being a minor.

Somehow that makes sense in our justice system.

Rich
 
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