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Discussion in 'Aviation Mishaps' started by ArnoldPalmer, Nov 8, 2020.
"...Officials say the pilot, 43-year-old Christopher Hans from Fargo, took off in the dark from a private runway, in the fog. Moments later the plane crashed into the side of an adjacent hill..."
And we wonder why our insurance premiums keep rising. Unbelievable.
The weather conditions in that area yesterday were pretty bad all day long. I picked up ice on the leading edges of my truck on the way to the airport (to change oil in an airplane, not to fly...) Although I saw the medivac King Air come and go while I was there, I simply cannot believe someone would be trying to fly in a Pacer in those conditions. That was pretty foolish.
A non-instrument rated private pilot (issued five months ago) taking off in a 1953 PA-22-135 from a "private runway" into freezing fog at night?
Insurance was the least of his concerns.
Sounds like spatial D, unless the engine quit after take off. I was up last evening and vis was crap here as well. Decided to call it quits right at sunset.
Per airmen registry, PPL only, issued June 2020
His own life was the least of his concerns.
„A non-instrument rated private pilot (issued five months ago) taking off in a 1953 PA-22-135 from a "private runway" into freezing fog at night?“
That is insane to say the least.
Waiting for the blood test...
I will also be very curious to hear more of the explanation for this. It boggles the mind. Could he really have been that clueless about weather after finishing his private?
There is not much focus on weather other than here is TAF, here is METAR, here are the resources on aviationweather.gov - good luck. I dont know which school he trained with, living here everyone knows this is the worst time of the year where it gets frosty and freezing fog once sun sets most days when the conditions are ripe as it was last saturday.
i am training for IR at night and it is a pain to taxi to the school, pick up CFII, inspect leading edges and wings/stabilator for frost, spray them down if there is any frost (with a real deicing fluid, luckily they dont charge me for it)... but if you skip those steps and the conditions are ripe... you are goner.
not looking forward to it, but in a month or so, it will get so cold that I dont have to worry about frost lol
I do not want my epitaph to read "Moron". Agree with the assessment. Amazing depth of stupidity in aeronautical decision making.
I chalk this up to night VFR into IMC by a non-instrument-qualified pilot in a non-instrument-qualified plane. Icing doesn't enter into it. Had he survived in the air a little longer, he could have picked up some ice, but I don't think he got the chance.
I live 30 nm away from the nearest airport to where this happened. The weather was thick fog for two days. Visibility was under 1 sm from my house at times and never more than 5 sm. My house is on a small hill so visibility at ground level was showing better than that, but not much. Someone I talked to who drove up from the area where this crash occurred on Sunday morning said the fog was worse down there than here. Ceilings were 200-300 feet. Ambient temperature at the surface was ~30F all weekend.
Sunset was ~4:20 p.m. Mountain Time at the crash site. He took off more than 3 hours later. Due to fog and cloud layers, the moon would not have been any help. Add in the private grass strip, which is likely not lit in any way. This was a flight that would have been a bad idea for any pilot in any plane.
It was the opening weekend of deer gun season here and it is somewhat common for hunters from eastern ND to travel to western ND to hunt. I wouldn't be surprised if we learn that he was hunting in western ND and had to get home to Fargo for something on Sunday or Monday.
‘Freezing fog’ at night? Well, a small consolation, but at least he was solo. Need I post the adage?
Yes, maybe bad get-there-it’s and not realizing how truly dangerous a situation this was.
Did not need to wait until sunset Saturday for the fog to start freezing. At around 1130 I was about 30 miles north of there picking up icing on the leading edges of my truck. The conditions did not improve after that.
Wow... wasn’t that bad out here, but still sketchy as the sun was setting. Can’t believe he took off in that
It was not building fast (this was after about 30 min at 65mph) and this is not a real good picture, but you can see that sub-VFR conditions notwithstanding, it was not a good day to be in anything less than a FIKI aircraft.