VA disability rating and AME

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Hello everyone, Maybe someone here can help and I’ll hear what I’m hoping for.

I am a veteran with PTSD, it’s bad but my rating is high due to my job as a police officer. The last exam the VA requested, my rating was raised and I’m sure it was due to the stress and anxiety I was having after 10 yrs in law enforcement. I’m wanting to get a class 2 medical and work as a pilot but not sure what the AME will say other than probably defer me. Is there any other veterans in this group that has dealt with anything like this. I’ve been out of LE for 8 months and feel great and considering talking to the VA to have them lower my rating back down.
 
You need to have a frank pre-exam discussion with a competent AME. Your disability rating and the fact that you have a PTSD diagnosis do not tell the whole story. They're going to want to know about medications (if any), drug and alcohol use, and any ongoing symptoms. The disability rating is but one thing in the list of things they'll look at. In fact. If the VA pronounced you 100% fit today, I think you will still be deferred. The bad news is that OKC is almost to the point of being disfunctional right now. You can expect a long and costly road to certification.

Thank you for your service.
 
Thank you, I’m not on meds, no drugs and rarely drink alcohol but I’m thinking it is gonna be a long road
 
As F’Ron said, be 100% honest and transparent with regard to your VA disability. There are many stories where pilots weren’t and when the FAA found out, they lowered the boom very hard. Not only were their flying privileges permanently revoked, but additional severe penalties were brought.

Your journey will include demonstrating to the FAA where you are within the zero to full tilt spectrum and will any of your conditions be a substantial safety risk to yourself or others. This means lots of testing, evaluations, and documentation. Make sure you pair up with the best AME possible to guide you through the process.

And do your homework on the AME’s to find the right one. Many are good at “general” topics; some at helping with also him and substance abuse; but these may not be the right one for you.

This may require working with an AME who is in another city or region. So be prepared for that. Also don’t let that frustrate you. Make like someone who is choosing the best medical specialist to cure their medical condition.

Maybe finding an AME with a military background, such as our Doctors Lou and Bruce would be a solid choice. I would surmise that such AME’s would have a better understanding and empathy for what you experienced that created your PTSD.

Thank you for your military and law enforcement service. Please keep us in the loop as you progress on your journey.
 
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Be advised the VA and Faa are now working together.You need to have a serious talk with your AME.
 
Be advised the VA and Faa are now working together.You need to have a serious talk with your AME.
To add to my knowledge and the OP's, in what respect? What info and detail should be discussed?
 
Somewhere in these fora is a story of a client of mine who was a recently-retired Air Force fighter pilot. He'd been FFD when he retired; but he was unable to obtain an FAA Third-Class medical because he'd been briefly hospitalized for PTSD, treated, and returned to duty years prior while he was in the Air Force.

It became a moot point after 9/11 when he returned to active duty. The point is that he was fit to fly fighters in combat for the Air Force, but was unable to obtain an FAA medical. So you'd be well advised to expect an uphill battle. Get good advice from a top-notch AME before even thinking about filling out any forms.

Rich
 
To add to my knowledge and the OP's, in what respect? What info and detail should be discussed?
Mike, during the 2004-2005 "Operation Safe Pilot" investigation in which the government illegally ran database matches of the FAA medical certificate database against the SSA Title 2 and Title 16 disability databases using personally identifying information (names, SSNs), the agencies involved (FAA, DOT, and SSA) were found guilty in Federal District Court, Northern District of California, of violating the Privacy Act of 1974.

In response, those agencies and the VA with its disability database made a number of changes that in 2010 made it legal to perform database matches without a notice in the Federal Register looking for pilots who failed to disclose potentially disqualifying conditions on their medical certificate application forms.

The attached testimony from Nicholas A. Sabatini, FAA Associate Administrator for Aviation Safety, before a Congressional Hearing on July 17, 2007, is instructive.

The Inspector General recommended that FAA work with the Social Security Administration (SSA) and other disability benefits providers, to develop and implement a strategy to conduct checks of applicants for airman medical certificates with the databases of SSA and other disability providers, and take appropriate enforcement actions where falsifications are found. The IG also recommended that FAA consider revising our Application for Airman Medical Certificate to require applicants to explicitly identify whether they are receiving medical disability benefits from any provider. I am pleased to inform you that the FAA is moving forward to implement both of the IG’s recommendations.

FAA is working to develop a program, in cooperation with the Office of the Inspector General for the Social Security Administration (SSA), to cross-check randomly selected applicants for FAA airman medical certificates with the SSA disability database to determine if any applicants are receiving disability benefits from SSA. We hope to start by cross-checking applicants to the SSA database, because to receive SSA disability benefits, an individual must be totally disabled. Thus, virtually any applicant who is receiving SSA disability benefits will necessarily have a condition that would disqualify the applicant from holding an airman medical certificate from the FAA. We are still in discussions with the Social Security Administration, with the goal of signing a Memorandum of Understanding regarding the use of their database, and exactly what information the SSA will be able to divulge without violating privacy rules. Before we consider expanding the cross-checking of applicants to disability databases other than the Social Security Administration, we have to consider the potential resources required to conduct investigations and make medical determinations regarding an applicant’s disability and whether that condition disqualifies the applicant from holding an airman medical certificate.

In order to proceed with cross-checking applicants for airman medical certificates against the SSA disability database, or any other database, FAA must first revise the system of records notice for FAA’s “Aviation Records on Individuals” to permit disclosure of the records through a routine use. This will require publishing a notice of the revised system of records in the Federal Register, and a period for public comments, before the records may be disclosed, and FAA can begin any cross-checking. This process may take six to twelve months to complete. However, we will immediately begin efforts to implement the IG’s second recommendation, the addition of a question to the airman medical certificate application regarding disability benefits. The FAA will take appropriate administrative actions to change the application form to include the new question. Once that is completed, the new application form can be printed and distributed to Airman Medical Examiners (AME) nationwide.

We are proposing to change the Airman Medical Certificate application to add a question specifically asking if the applicant is receiving any disability benefits. While this additional question appears straightforward, the investigative work will begin after a positive response to the question. Once an applicant indicates that he or she is receiving disability benefits, FAA must then investigate to determine the disability benefits provider, the condition for which the applicant is receiving disability benefits, and the extent of the applicant’s disability. Social Security disability benefits, as I’ve already stated, are based on 100% disability, and would, presumably, disqualify the applicant from holding an airman medical certificate in virtually all cases. However, the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) disability benefits, for example, cover a wide range of gradation from minor disabilities to total disability, and many conditions that would qualify for VA benefits would not necessarily disqualify the applicant from holding an airman medical certificate.

They made these necessary changes in 2010.
 

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@Stan Cooper ... thanks. That was the investigation I was thinking of when I wrote the first paragraph of my first post in this thread. I appreciate you filling in the gaps.
 
with the VA its about the money they're paying out. with the FAA its about percentage of disability and the reason for the disability,like PTSD.
 
Mike, during the 2004-2005 "Operation Safe Pilot" investigation in which the government illegally ran database matches of the FAA medical certificate database against the SSA Title 2 and Title 16 disability databases using personally identifying information (names, SSNs), the agencies involved (FAA, DOT, and SSA) were found guilty in Federal District Court, Northern District of California, of violating the Privacy Act of 1974.

In response, those agencies and the VA with its disability database made a number of changes that in 2010 made it legal to perform database matches without a notice in the Federal Register looking for pilots who failed to disclose potentially disqualifying conditions on their medical certificate application forms.

The attached testimony from Nicholas A. Sabatini, FAA Associate Administrator for Aviation Safety, before a Congressional Hearing on July 17, 2007, is instructive.



They made these necessary changes in 2010.
"If you can't play by the rules, change the rules."—every government
 
Here’s the link the AME’s guide they use to issue medical. I used this when I needed a special issuance for OSA. k
Sleep Apnea (even given the FAA's insane reaction to it) is a far cry from psychiatric issues.
 
Sleep Apnea (even given the FAA's insane reaction to it) is a far cry from psychiatric issues.

It’s even funnier that they want tracking...

And there isn’t a device on the market that doesn’t output the data in unencrypted text, editable in any decent text editor.

LOL

I shouldn’t expect much when their airplane tracking system says my airplane was in another State last weekend though. They’re not so good at tech.
 
Sleep Apnea (even given the FAA's insane reaction to it) is a far cry from psychiatric issues.

I’m not disagreeing with that at all. As a veteran with 70% disability and professional pilot, I’m well aware that psychiatric issues with the FAA are a very difficult battle. If I had just shown up and claimed sleep apnea then I would have lost my medical until I had several tests and letters from pulmonologists. This would’ve been a very lengthy process.

Instead I worked with AMAS and took their recommendations in between the 6 month medical period to get all of the tests and CPAP data for the AME. I never lost the medical while waiting for the SI because I showed up with all of the data and letters.

I was merely showing the OP the AME manual so that they can see what it takes to be awarded a medical. Then they can arrange all of the tests and obtain the letters before seeing the AME. That way the AME is applying for the SI with all of the needed data instead of denying the medical.


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