US Customs smashed 11 flutes...

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This one time in band camp :D
 
More federal thuggery from professional control freaks.

It's really too bad that tarring and feathering has fallen out of fashion. I think it would be a perfectly suitable response to government abuses like this.

-Rich
 
Lets try to keep this out do Spin Zone.
 
Sometimes we read stories and think that there must be more to it.

But with this one, it's difficult to imagine what could possibly have been going through the minds of the US custom agents. (obvious comments about their minds not stated because this one isn't in the SZ).
 
Something smells wrong here. The CBP say they only took the unfabricated green bamboo he was carrying not any finished flutes.
 
Between this and the Gibson guitar plant raid our government has declared a war on music.
 
Our overzealous fanatical authorities who no longer are in possession of common sense, follow the rules at all costs, do not think, do not question.

I, for one, will sleep much better knowing that my government has kept me safe from small wooden flutes.

I almost feel that I should send our glorious President, Obama The Amazing, a thank you note for his wonderful leadership of our government agencies.

I know, I know, it is unfair of me to expect our President to be the person the buck stops at, it has to be someone else's fault....probably that despot Bush.

-John
 
I wonder why, when we hear of such government shenanigans, that the name of the actual government agent who unthinkingly carried out his orders to the letter, is never mentioned. It is always this agnecy did this or that agency did that, but it is rare when the culprit is ever named.

Yet when we, in the land of "civilians" make even the smallest blunder, our names, our address's, who we live with, our dogs name, our parents names, etc. etc. is plastered everywhere for the public to scrutinize.

If a government agent killed me in the line of his /her duty, I would get a funeral that my estate could afford, probably the one where they remove all my I.D. and set me on a bus bench so the city will take care of my internment.

If, on the other hand, someone killed a government agent while they were on duty, that agent would get at least a million dollar funeral, possibly several million depending on the public agency he/she was working for at the time.... all at taxpayer expense.

-John
 
John Baker said:
I wonder why, when we hear of such government shenanigans, that the name of the actual government agent who unthinkingly carried out his orders to the letter, is never mentioned. It is always this agnecy did this or that agency did that, but it is rare when the culprit is ever named.

Yet when we, in the land of "civilians" make even the smallest blunder, our names, our address's, who we live with, our dogs name, our parents names, etc. etc. is plastered everywhere for the public to scrutinize.

If a government agent killed me in the line of his /her duty, I would get a funeral that my estate could afford, probably the one where they remove all my I.D. and set me on a bus bench so the city will take care of my internment.

If, on the other hand, someone killed a government agent while they were on duty, that agent would get at least a million dollar funeral, possibly several million depending on the public agency he/she was working for at the time.... all at taxpayer expense.

-John
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John, John, John........

All men are NOT created equal.... We are peons,,,,, the guv workers and politicians are upper class and deserve supreme treatment.... get with the program man....;):redface:
 
The article is not very detailed but what I can summize is that the CBP confiscated and destroyed the flutes because they were made from a plant material with restrictions on importation.

I'm no fan of over reaching gov't action but if my understanding is correct, what would it matter if the plant, I think bamboo in this case, were fashioned into flutes, back scratchers or just sticks? Non native plants and pests can wreak havoc on our Eco system and farming. Not only can non native plants be invasive but they can carry invasive pests.

So it's seems like this is really a story about a confiscation of non native plant material than just taking some guys flutes. There may very well be more to the story or something that is not reported.
 
AdamZ said:
The article is not very detailed but what I can summize is that the CBP confiscated and destroyed the flutes because they were made from a plant material with restrictions on importation.

I'm no fan of over reaching gov't action but if my understanding is correct, what would it matter if the plant, I think bamboo in this case, were fashioned into flutes, back scratchers or just sticks? Non native plants and pests can wreak havoc on our Eco system and farming. Not only can non native plants be invasive but they can carry invasive pests.

So it's seems like this is really a story about a confiscation of non native plant material than just taking some guys flutes. There may very well be more to the story or something that is not reported.
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You can go to any of the Lumber Liquidator stores and buy all the Bamboo flooring you can afford...... I don't get the ban on Bamboo..:dunno::confused:
 
Instead of requiring or allowing destruction of musical instruments, the law should be changed to allow the owner to turn around and take them back out of the country.
 
Yeah, it appears even the musician has either changed his story or he was LYING in the initial story. He did NOT see customs smash the flutes in front of him. Customs did claim to interdict the raw bamboo. The case with the finished instruments was missing when he received it (contrary to the earlier story). He assumed customs also seized his flutes, but they say no.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/deceptivec...s-or-stolen-whatever-happened-flutes-are-gone

Further, the two hours he spent was NOT in custody as reported but just him trying to find his missing bag in baggage claim. In fact, the airline told him to go on home and they'd forward the bag when they found it, which is what he ended up doing. He wasn't anywhere near the airport or customs when he got his bag and found the instruments allegedly gone.
 
N801BH said:
You can go to any of the Lumber Liquidator stores and buy all the Bamboo flooring you can afford...... I don't get the ban on Bamboo..:dunno::confused:
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I'm not really sure why, perhaps bamboo from certain areas are more prone to harmful insect infestation than others. ie Bamboo from China is fine but Myanmar bamboo has bad bugs. Who knows, I just know there is not enough info here.

Palmpilot said:
Instead of requiring or allowing destruction of musical instruments, the law should be changed to allow the owner to turn around and take them back out of the country.
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Interesting idea but not sure how that would work. A) whats the guy gonna do buy a ticket and fly back to whence he came? Too many risks and I think a bit impractical. Perhaps more facts will come to light.
 
flyingron said:
Yeah, it appears even the musician has either changed his story or he was LYING in the initial story. He did NOT see customs smash the flutes in front of him. Customs did claim to interdict the raw bamboo. The case with the finished instruments was missing when he received it (contrary to the earlier story). He assumed customs also seized his flutes, but they say no.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/deceptivec...s-or-stolen-whatever-happened-flutes-are-gone

Further, the two hours he spent was NOT in custody as reported but just him trying to find his missing bag in baggage claim. In fact, the airline told him to go on home and they'd forward the bag when they found it, which is what he ended up doing. He wasn't anywhere near the airport or customs when he got his bag and found the instruments allegedly gone.
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Another killjoy deliberately trying to smash, in front of all of us, a truly great anti government thread. This has got to stop....think of the children.

-John
 
N801BH said:
You can go to any of the Lumber Liquidator stores and buy all the Bamboo flooring you can afford...... I don't get the ban on Bamboo..:dunno::confused:
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Is bamboo allowed to be imported to the US?

In general, bamboo that is not thoroughly dried and is therefore still capable of propagation is prohibited entry into the United States.

Bamboo that is thoroughly dried and split or cut lengthwise (rendering it incapable of propagation) will be inspected upon entry and released.
Unsplit dried bamboo canes/stakes/poles also are allowed entry into the United States after inspection: however, if the bamboo canes/stakes/poles are intended for garden or nursery use, the shipment must be fumigated (T404-d treatment extended to 24 hours) upon arrival at the U.S. port of entry.
Bamboo furniture, bamboo cloth, and other manufactured products made of bamboo do not require fumigation and will be released upon inspection.
For more information on Bamboo products, see Table 3-22 in the APHIS Miscellaneous and Processed Products Manual.
If you have further questions regarding requirements for importing agricultural products, please contact the USDA/APHIS Customer Support Center at (301) 851-2046https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/1359/~/importing-bamboo-into-the-us#.
 
AdamZ said:
Interesting idea but not sure how that would work. A) whats the guy gonna do buy a ticket and fly back to whence he came? Too many risks and I think a bit impractical. Perhaps more facts will come to light.
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I'm not talking about requiring him to do that, but if he would rather do that than see his instruments confiscated or destroyed, and if he is able to get a flight out, then I think the law should be written to allow it.
 
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