United Pilot Cancels Flight to protect his pee

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And THERE is the problem. They don’t want the proof they’re gonna get… that probably 80-90 percent of the people in this “program” shouldn’t be.

Much better to assert effectiveness than prove it.

 

[TCABM]

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People can ***** all they want about "flying is a privilege, not a right". This does not give the FAA authority to stigmatize people and be overall unfair. That's not how it works.…..

The FAA has never asked me to prove sobriety; I think having a documented history of abuse that also resulted in unsafe behaviors (DUI) would change that for me.

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Driving is a privilege, not a right. You don't see your state DMV making unfair and unjust laws. If they did, they can be challenged and struck down just like any other unconstitutional law…..

Plenty of states have ignition interlocks, but comparing apples to apples, look at DOT medicals for CDLs as well as what happens at the state level if you earn a DUI, whether in a commercial vehicle or not.

Both my responses acknowledge “fair” and legal are two entirely different concepts. I may not like something because I consider unfair, but that has nothing to do with what’s legally acceptable.

 

[UTLonghorn_1979]

The FAA has never asked me to prove sobriety; I think having a documented history of abuse that also resulted in unsafe behaviors (DUI) would change that for me.


Plenty of states have ignition interlocks, but comparing apples to apples, look at DOT medicals for CDLs as well as what happens at the state level if you earn a DUI, whether in a commercial vehicle or not.

Both my responses acknowledge “fair” and legal are two entirely different concepts. I may not like something because I consider unfair, but that has nothing to do with what’s legally acceptable.

I think the issues are 1. the bar the FAA uses to demonstrate “documented abuse,” and 2. The over handed means by which the FAA “treats” the person with such “documented abuse.”

A single DUI at 19 does not make a substance abuser and a weekend binge drinker does not necessarily make an unsafe pilot.

I don’t know anyone that drinks that hasn’t seen some sort of increase in tolerance, but which by definition means you have substance abuse under the FAA rules.

The fact these pilots refused to fly for fear of FAA retaliation is a perfect example of the absurdity of the rules.

 

[Jon Wilder]

The FAA has never asked me to prove sobriety; I think having a documented history of abuse that also resulted in unsafe behaviors (DUI) would change that for me.


Plenty of states have ignition interlocks, but comparing apples to apples, look at DOT medicals for CDLs as well as what happens at the state level if you earn a DUI, whether in a commercial vehicle or not.

Both my responses acknowledge “fair” and legal are two entirely different concepts. I may not like something because I consider unfair, but that has nothing to do with what’s legally acceptable.

The testing isn’t the issue. The issue is the extremely low thresholds at which they test you (they’re set so low that you can test positive for EtG just by skin contact of denatured alcohol on your hand…an issue for those of us who work with alcohol based solvents), and the fact that they don’t care about doing confirmatory testing to confirm the validity of the result.

That and their testing methods are not objective tests rooted in science. The inaccuracy and volatility of EtG and PEth testing is very well documented, and the people who created EtG testing have repeated stated NOT to rely on positive EtG/EtS results alone, but to do more in depth confirmatory testing and take the totality of circumstances to get a clear picture of intentional consumption or accidental exposure. Yet they refuse to abide by this well documented procedure.

That is the issue.

 

[UTLonghorn_1979]

The testing isn’t the issue. The issue is the extremely low thresholds at which they test you (they’re set so low that you can test positive for EtG just by skin contact of denatured alcohol on your hand…an issue for those of us who work with alcohol based solvents), and the fact that they don’t care about doing confirmatory testing to confirm the validity of the result.

That and their testing methods are not objective tests rooted in science. The inaccuracy and volatility of EtG and PEth testing is very well documented, and the people who created EtG testing have repeated stated NOT to rely on positive EtG/EtS results alone, but to do more in depth confirmatory testing and take the totality of circumstances to get a clear picture of intentional consumption or accidental exposure. Yet they refuse to abide by this well documented procedure.

That is the issue.

The testing isn’t the issue. The issue is the extremely low thresholds at which they test you (they’re set so low that you can test positive for EtG just by skin contact of denatured alcohol on your hand…an issue for those of us who work with alcohol based solvents), and the fact that they don’t care about doing confirmatory testing to confirm the validity of the result.

That and their testing methods are not objective tests rooted in science. The inaccuracy and volatility of EtG and PEth testing is very well documented, and the people who created EtG testing have repeated stated NOT to rely on positive EtG/EtS results alone, but to do more in depth confirmatory testing and take the totality of circumstances to get a clear picture of intentional consumption or accidental exposure. Yet they refuse to abide by this well documented procedure.

That is the issue.

I had a random yesterday…the fact that I felt the need to shower again after using spray, full body deoderant for fear that it would taint the urine test is absurd.

 

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