Uh, that's not supposed to be there... [NA]

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These photos were taken inside the kitchen of a townhouse. The first view is inside a base cabinet, and the second is after the base cabinet was removed.

I'm sure plenty of you know or can guess what this is, but probably not everyone.

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So...guesses?
 
If it’s not electrical cable I’d guess a steel lifting cable loop from a prestressed reinforced concrete modular section with the black form of rust (Fe2O3 if I remember my chemistry correctly).
 
Was somebody drilling into the slab somewhere else?
 
Was somebody drilling into the slab somewhere else?
No. I don't know what caused the cable to snap. I suspect corrosion, but if so then I don't know why the corrosion occurred.

I don't know if this is a one-off, or the first indication of a systemic problem.
 
I don't know if this is a one-off, or the first indication of a systemic problem.
Hope for the first, assume and make contingent plans for the second. The location and it being black rust (in my completely uneducated hillbilly opinion) is a plus. Black rust is not as damaging as red with it associated expanding and shearing of surface layers (the bond layers). That is not to say that there is not red rust in other areas, under a kitchen sink is likely to be more damp than other parts, and the fact that it did not fail there, but showed the symptoms there…I would be looking for other locations along the cable line for issues. It’s a very “not good” situation. I can only imagine the result of the same happening in a “living area” with someone standing over the location when the cable snaps through. I would proceed assuming all cables were processed and installed in the same “batch”, and be looking for external factors that caused this single one to fail and if that can not be found assume all are suspect.
 
Black rust is not as damaging as red with it associated expanding and shearing of surface layers (the bond layers). That is not to say that there is not red rust in other areas, under a kitchen sink is likely to be more damp than other parts....
I have only seen these photos, but I can't tell from the pictures that there's any significant corrosion present on the portion of the cable strands that is visible. What remains of the conduit they were in is visible, but I can't tell if the individual strands are also coated or if that's bare metal. ‍The cables emerged through the bottom of a kitchen cabinet, but not the sink cabinet.

Coincidentally, the homeowner had a plumbing leak in the upstairs bathroom that ran down the walls and flooded the kitchen. The leak started several days after the cables were first observed, and so far there is no reason to think the two events are related. The cabinet was actually removed as part of the kitchen flood remediation. I don't know if the spots on the wall are mold, and if they are related to the plumbing failure, or what. (I am friendly with the property manager, not the homeowner, and am not privy to all the details of the situation.)

So, what's the solution? Cut it off with a dremel, float the hole, lay new tile, and make a quick sale?
The immediate "solution" was to cut off the loop that emerged. From what I understand the homeowner is investigating permanent options. This is a townhouse complex with multiple units sharing a monolithic slab, but I don't know if this cable ran front-to-back only through one home, or crosswise across the entire length of the slab under multiple homes. From what I understand, the HOA is actually not responsible for foundation issues, which seems weird, but apparently that's how the community's governing documents are written.
 
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Anchor failure?
GPR could be a friend here.
 
I have only seen these photos, but I can't tell from the pictures that there's any significant corrosion present on the portion of the cable strands that is visible. What remains of the conduit they were in is visible, but I can't tell if the individual strands are also coated or if that's bare metal. ‍The cables emerged through the bottom of a kitchen cabinet, but not the sink cabinet.

Coincidentally, the homeowner had a plumbing leak in the upstairs bathroom that ran down the walls and flooded the kitchen. The leak started several days after the cables were first observed, and so far there is no reason to think the two events are related. The cabinet was actually removed as part of the kitchen flood remediation. I don't know if the spots on the wall are mold, and if they are related to the plumbing failure, or what. (I am friendly with the property manager, not the homeowner, and am not privy to all the details of the situation.)


The immediate "solution" was to cut off the loop that emerged. From what I understand the homeowner is investigating permanent options. This is a townhouse complex with multiple units sharing a monolithic slab, but I don't know if this cable ran front-to-back only through one home, or crosswise across the entire length of the slab under multiple homes. From what I understand, the HOA is actually not responsible for foundation issues, which seems weird, but apparently that's how the community's governing documents are written.
I don’t understand. Looks like there’s plenty of cable out to determine direction. In my limited experience, I remember them always running straight not zigzag
 
I don’t understand. Looks like there’s plenty of cable out to determine direction. In my limited experience, I remember them always running straight not zigzag

You missed this part:
(I am friendly with the property manager, not the homeowner, and am not privy to all the details of the situation.)

I am confident that anyone who has stood in that room and looked at the cables knows exactly which way they run. I have not, and so I do not.
 
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