Twin crash - South Florida

John Young

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Dear All,

A twin Piper with 3 souls on board has just crashed near the everglades. The twin departed from Jacksonville (Craig maybe?).

All 3 have survived - 1 is "trauma evacuated".

Regards
John
 
3 Hospitalized After Small Plane Crashes in West Broward

Rescue workers responded after a small plane carrying three people crashed in Western Broward County Monday afternoon.

A pilot and two passengers were on board the small plane when it crashed off of US-27 just north of Griffin Road, Broward Sheriff's Office Fire Rescue officials said.
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Reards
John
 
Props turning at impact, will be interesting to see what was the cause. How was the weather?

Thankfully no fatalities.
 
"WPLG's chopper landed briefly and engineer Juan Rodriguez tried to help the pilot escape. Firefighters arrived a short time later and were working to help the pilot."
 
Dear All,

Can a Piper Navajo (twin-piston) maintain height on one engine?

Regards
John
 
Dear All,

Can a Piper Navajo (twin-piston) maintain height on one engine?

Regards
John
Like in many things, depends on the load and whether or not the airplane is cleaned up/prop feathered.

Not familiar with the Navajo, but many of the bigger twins would be close to gross with full fuel and more than two people.
 
Wish them all the best and a full and speedy recovery.
 
It didn't get far...

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N55GK/history/20151026/1400Z/KHEG/KFXE/tracklog

EDIT: That makes it look like they crashed departing KHEG, but the crash location (US 27 at Griffin Rd) is directly east of KFXE, at the edge of the Everglades.


Flightaware shows the owner is a law firm (that also handles aviation accidents). Hopefully they all make a full recovery.

http://www.sdlitigation.com/practice-areas/aircraft-accidents/#aircraft
 
I always thought that the reason that twins are better than singles is that in case one engine fails you can still fly and land on the other.
 
No idea why, but LiveATC's export of audio is only getting about the first 23 minutes of a file on the export of archives. I've written to Dave to find out why.

N55GK was doing okay, being vectored for the visual, and had been cleared down to 2000 behind a Seminole. He was doing okay at 1623, when the first archive ends. When the next archive from 1630 picks up, they're looking for an aircraft. Edited audio attached (removed dead air and non-N55GK-related audio).

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I always thought that the reason that twins are better than singles is that in case one engine fails you can still fly and land on the other.
Hi Orange,

That's what I thought until about 5 years ago. Very, very few twins can maintain on one engine. All the remaining engine will do is allow you to get a little further than a failed single engine.

Jimmy cooper,

A Piper Navajo on one engine is a wall safe.
Thanks Jimmy for confirming my suspicions.

Kind regards to all
John
 
Hi Orange,

That's what I thought until about 5 years ago. Very, very few twins can maintain on one engine. All the remaining engine will do is allow you to get a little further than a failed single engine.

Thanks Jimmy for confirming my suspicions.

Kind regards to all
John

Nonsense. :mad2:

SE rate of climb: 230 fpm @ 106 kt (at sea level, standard temp, gross)

http://www.aopa.org/Pilot-Resources/Aircraft-Ownership/Aircraft-Fact-Sheets/Piper-Navajo-Chieftain

"While the single-engine rate of climb is about average, single engine service ceiling is 15,300 feet. More importantly, the airplane behaves reasonably well if one engine fails during departure and the pilot is trained to handle the situation and prepared to accept it."
 
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Flightaware shows the owner is a law firm (that also handles aviation accidents).

Oh, the irony...

Not familiar with the Navajo, but many of the bigger twins would be close to gross with full fuel and more than two people.

It appears that they came in from Craig and did a really quick turn, probably not enough time to have added any fuel.

Also, even if a Chieftain has gained a couple hundred pounds since it came from the factory, it should have a useful load of ~2500 pounds. 192 gallons (max fuel) would be a bit under 1150 pounds, leaving 1350 pounds for people, or over 400 pounds per person in this case. So, I doubt they were overgross.

I always thought that the reason that twins are better than singles is that in case one engine fails you can still fly and land on the other.

As with all aircraft, singles and twins, performance depends on a number of factors such as weight, CG, density altitude, etc. Generally, twins have a published single-engine service ceiling - Defined as the altitude at which they can only maintain a 50 fpm (yes, fifty) climb at max gross, aft CG, clean configuration, etc.

But, that's in a standard atmosphere, with an accurately calculated weight and CG, with a pilot who is proficient, on a new airplane.
 
I always thought that the reason that twins are better than singles is that in case one engine fails you can still fly and land on the other.

In a typical twin the second engine is to get you from where the first engine quit to the crash site.
 
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