Transponder on altitude reporting while on ground

[roncachamp]

It said "movement areas", which I take to mean only at airports with ATCT. There are only six hundred or so of those, not thousands. Point still taken though, despite being off by an order of magnitude :wink2:

All airports have "movement areas", from the Pilot/Controller Glossary:

MOVEMENT AREA− The runways, taxiways, and
other areas of an airport/heliport which are utilized
for taxiing/hover taxiing, air taxiing, takeoff, and
landing of aircraft, exclusive of loading ramps and
parking areas. At those airports/heliports with a
tower, specific approval for entry onto the movement
area must be obtained from ATC.

 

[denverpilot]

All airports have "movement areas", from the Pilot/Controller Glossary:

MOVEMENT AREA− The runways, taxiways, and
other areas of an airport/heliport which are utilized
for taxiing/hover taxiing, air taxiing, takeoff, and
landing of aircraft, exclusive of loading ramps and
parking areas. At those airports/heliports with a
tower, specific approval for entry onto the movement
area must be obtained from ATC.

What's interesting about that is that there are "taxiways... which are utilized for taxiing" at my home 'drome that aren't movement areas and are uncontrolled.

Reason given: Tower is blocked from being able to see them over the hangar rows.

Crappy definition in the PCG.

 

[Palmpilot]

What's interesting about that is that there are "taxiways... which are utilized for taxiing" at my home 'drome that aren't movement areas and are uncontrolled.

Reason given: Tower is blocked from being able to see them over the hangar rows.

Crappy definition in the PCG.

True. The only way to get the full picture is to read it together with AIM paragraph 2-3-6c and AIM Figure 2-3-21.

 

[denverpilot]

True. The only way to get the full picture is to read it together with AIM paragraph 2-3-6c and AIM Figure 2-3-21.

Yep.

The "ramp" along 10/28 here where all the Charlie intersections to enter the runway are located, is all non-movement area at APA.

*Everything* east of the Alpha Taxiway actually, except taxiway Delta. (Which is rarely used.)

You can probably see why the based airplanes always try to depart 10 and arrive 28 whenever possible. Most of us "live" in that mass of hangar rows.

We leave 17/35 "way over there" for Mari and her jet whenever winds allow. It's a little over a mile of taxiing to get to the end of either one from our hangar.

But the whooooole ramp from the far north end (Alpha Ramp) to the east side (Hotel Ramp) is non-movement.

 

[Palmpilot]

Palo Alto is another one where the entire ramp area is excluded. The official movement area is quite small, consisting only of the parallel taxiway (Z) and the runup areas. However, pilots treat it as if the whole thing were movement area, and ground control routinely gives taxi instructions for all of it, because the layout and the traffic levels make it a practical necessity most of the time. Otherwise, people would be ending up head to head on a regular basis.

 

[coloradobluesky]

At large airports there is "ramp control" frequency. So are ramps "movement areas"?

 

[Greg Bockelman]

At large airports there is "ramp control" frequency. So are ramps "movement areas"?

Not as far as the FAA is concerned. Those are usually locally controlled. But don't move on those areas without contacting the appropriate ramp control.