TangoWhiskey
Touchdown! Greaser!
I was reading chapter 2 of the new FAA IPG (Instrument Procedures Guide), which covers Departure procedures including ODPs and SIDs.
I noticed that a lot of the ODPs in mountainous areas involve either climbing over the airport in a left climbing turn until reaching a certain altitude, or involve tracking outbound on a radial or localizer course, then climbing in a hold 10DME away until reaching a safe altitude and then proceeding on course. This gets you above the hills before you get underway.
If I understand it correctly, if ATC "clears 1541C to Podunck Municipal, after departure fly heading 180 to intercept V143, SomewhereVOR, then as filed. Climb and maintain 8,000, expect 10,000 ten minutes after departure", they DON'T expect you to do exactly that if an ODP exists for the airfield. They will NOT tell you about any ODP, nor clear you to fly it, but they EXPECT you to do so before you start flying "heading 180 to intercept V143". Heads up time, as if you just took off and turned to heading 180 to intercept V143 without first flying the ODP, you might run into cumulo granite.
If an ODP exists, you fly that FIRST, THEN, when at a safe altitude, fly the rest of the clearance.
Anyway, it got me to thinking that, while I've flown holds, I have never CLIMBED or DESCENDED in a hold!! Yet many ODPs are based on doing just that, and my instructors have never had me do it--and I had good instructors. It adds an interesting twist to an an already busy procedure.
I fly with another pilot every 4th Wednesday of the month after work, to shoot approaches and critique each other... we're going to try this next week.
How many of you have actually practiced climbing in a hold, or did your instructors leave that out of primary training too? What else have you found happens in the real world that you weren't trained on? We're looking for challenging things to try while we fly simulated instruments...
Troy
I noticed that a lot of the ODPs in mountainous areas involve either climbing over the airport in a left climbing turn until reaching a certain altitude, or involve tracking outbound on a radial or localizer course, then climbing in a hold 10DME away until reaching a safe altitude and then proceeding on course. This gets you above the hills before you get underway.
If I understand it correctly, if ATC "clears 1541C to Podunck Municipal, after departure fly heading 180 to intercept V143, SomewhereVOR, then as filed. Climb and maintain 8,000, expect 10,000 ten minutes after departure", they DON'T expect you to do exactly that if an ODP exists for the airfield. They will NOT tell you about any ODP, nor clear you to fly it, but they EXPECT you to do so before you start flying "heading 180 to intercept V143". Heads up time, as if you just took off and turned to heading 180 to intercept V143 without first flying the ODP, you might run into cumulo granite.
If an ODP exists, you fly that FIRST, THEN, when at a safe altitude, fly the rest of the clearance.
Anyway, it got me to thinking that, while I've flown holds, I have never CLIMBED or DESCENDED in a hold!! Yet many ODPs are based on doing just that, and my instructors have never had me do it--and I had good instructors. It adds an interesting twist to an an already busy procedure.
I fly with another pilot every 4th Wednesday of the month after work, to shoot approaches and critique each other... we're going to try this next week.
How many of you have actually practiced climbing in a hold, or did your instructors leave that out of primary training too? What else have you found happens in the real world that you weren't trained on? We're looking for challenging things to try while we fly simulated instruments...
Troy