The Tevatron atom smasher, victim of budget cuts
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Shoot, they've been running on a severely shorted budget since before the LHC at CERN was even complete. With the LHC now functioning though, Tevatron is a high cost of operations for a lower potential yield than performing the experiment in the LHC. They never did achieve many of the results they were hoping for in the time that Fermilab did operate it and now there is better equipment for running the experiments.
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Forget CERN- Brookhaven on Long Island has upgraded their equipment- the Relativistic Heavy Ion collider is the second highest energy collider now and was the most "powerful" until 2008 or 2010. I think they can do experiments that CERN can't, such as collisions of spin-polarized particles.
The money has simply been placed elsewhere.
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Green energy? Solyndra?
(sorry if this response belongs in the SZ, couldn't resist)
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Nope. Brookhaven National Lab, Stanford, and yes, CERN. The Tevatron didn't have anything really unique that the other labs didn't already have AFAIK.
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This seems like a great place to get edumacated, so I will jump in here...
Can anyone explain, in layman's terms, what we, as taxpayers, get out of these atom smashers? Is there any practical return on this investment?
Yes, we found that things can depart and re-enter Space Time the other day. When we travel throughout the cosmos point to point instantly by transitioning through the chaos of eternity, it will be because of these atom smashers. When we understand how to harness the energy from a full conversion reaction (anti-matter & matter coming together), it will be because of these atom smashers. There are a hundred more possibilities I can give you. These are the machines that allow us to get a glimpse into the nature of the universe.
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Knowledge of the universe. We've gotten an understanding of nuclear processes which led to nuclear power from this work.
More lately, the units that no longer provide "cutting edge" research provide high quality synchrotron radiation for chemistry and biochemistry work- crystallography amoung other applications. You get proton radiation treatment for some cancers, and thse synchrotrons are useful for material science research.
The basic research might uncover some science that has prictical applications as well. The question is similar, in the early 1800s, to asking what benefit we would get from Faraday's work.
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If the work pans out. Some people that were involved in that experiment didn't want to be listed as authors because they thought there were problems with the experiment. Go look it up in the other thread.
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Someone's been reading Dan Brown.
Theoretical Physicists typically don't belong to nonsense organizations. Of course that is dependent on your definition of "nonsense organizations." Most of the ones that are involved with these machines are pretty serious. If we are to be delivered a Miracle in our lifetimes, it will be through these machines. Where High Energy and Quantum Physics meet, that is the birthplace of Miracles, that is where you meet God. The other day we showed that most likely there is something outside of Space Time. The answer to "What happens when you go faster than the speed ?" The answer is going to be "You depart Space-Time". You depart the boundaries of our universe. Here's the thing, Neutrinons prove that you can move more than just information faster than the speed of light, that means there is likely a path ability outside of Space Time which opens up the possibility of instantaneous travel to any where or any when.
It also shows Space Time as a separate dimension that envelops everything in our universe and is what sets order to the chaos. So, they kinda proved that God was the fabric of Space Time itself, and the key to the Universe will be the resonant frequency that Space Time uses to set that order with.
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Also explains chanting prayers. Consider Quantum Causality... Things happen because we think of them. If you can tap the frequency of Space Time (God) by chanting prayers in some harmonic of the frequency with that energy boost your information travels aheah in the ether and becomes a reality, ie An Answered Prayer.
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Exactly. The question is about the justification of taking the money away from science and putting it into whatever it goes into next. Maybe it stays in physics. Maybe it will go to line some greedy persons pockets or into some organization that doesn't really do anything productive at all.
That's just it, Tevatron was well funded to run many experiments that did not produce all the results that were being sought often constrained by physical size and ability to handle the quantities of material required to make the experiments likely to yield a result. What happened is the next bigger more capable equipment gets the funding because it is more likely to yield a result. The fact that most people confused their search with the search for Bilbo Baggins and Middle Earth didn't help much.
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Fascinating stuff. Thanks for taking the time to answer!
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I think we get pretty much the same thing as what we did out the space program and our billions if not trillions spent there.
The journey to understand more has many spin benefits or technology. The end results may never be known for years.
Taking into account what theoretical physics did in the last century one knows that it can and have tangible benefits. The US won WW2 because the theoretical physics that were leading the development of modern understandings of the fundamental make up of matter came to America when they saw how the policies of Nazi Germany were evolving. The majority of those physicists were Jewish Germans. They developed the atomic bomb from their research when it came apparent how that knowledge could be used. Had ****** and his cronies not launched their ethnic cleansing these men would have stayed in Germany and we might all be speaking German right now. The US had no program where we did research on the scale of the German in the early part of the 20th century. Germany (pre-******) was the preeminent science research country in the world.
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