The Joys of Rotorcraft

infotango

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Howdy folks! Just checking in, and wanted to share some of my experiences with flying helicopters over the last year or so.
So, about a year ago, I made the mistake of taking an intro flight in a R22 helicopter. I'd been a fixed wing pilot for about six years, and figured flying a rotorcraft would be a lot of fun. Yeah. It was fun, and awfully like jamming a heroin needle in my arm. I was hooked.
Something about flying a helicopter really clicked in the way that flying an airplane never did for me. To be honest, I had gotten pretty bored flying Cessnas around. From the moment we picked up into a hover, my wallet knew it was in trouble. The maneuverability of the helicopter is astounding, the sensation of flying is unbelievable, and the visibility is insane.
To shorten a long story, I'm now rated, and looking to get the CFI.

If you really enjoy VFR flying, or low and slow flight, the helicopter really takes that experience and multiplies it massively. The visibility of the helicopters I've flown has been amazing. The ships are so very nimble and sensitive, they feel more like driving a sports car fast than the truck-like feel that most of the fixed wing GA fleet has. The ability to hover and land anywhere is just icing on the cake.

The obvious downside is that helicopters are insanely expensive to rent. Figure about two to three times more an hour than a basic airplane trainer in your area. Helicopters are also a lot more unforgiving of pilot error than airplanes are, and demand constant attention. In the R22 taking your hands off the cylic in a hover can result in you crashing almost immediately. In the R22 you have about one second to respond appropriately to an engine failure, before the rotor stalls, folds up, and you come crashing down. Obviously, other helicopters are more forgiving (but more expensive). The R22, which is the most popular trainer, is probably one of the most sensitive helicopters to fly. As a result, helicopter training washes out its most un-adaptable pilots at the primary level. I think (hope!?) that the learning curve is steepest at the start of training for helicopter pilots.

Still it's an amazing experience, and might be just the thing to shake up your flying. At this point, I'd rather have an hour in a helicopter than three in a 172. If you've been meaning to give it a try, I really encourage it, flying helicopters is a blast!
 
They have a word for guys like you "pusher". :rofl:

I like flying low n slow in the RV-12. If I ever got near a Robinson I would throw rocks at the -12. :yesnod:

Congrats on finding your drug of choice. ;)
 
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I wish the Schweitzer could be operated as cheaply as the R22. It's a far superior trainer.
 
Helicopters are a great tool for certain tasks, but I can't see the utility for general aviation users unless they are burdened with just too much money. To get a helo with the performance, (load/range/speed) of a single engine GA plane you're looking at a pushing close to a million. They are fun though.
 
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Helicopters are a great tool for certain tasks, but I can't see the utility for general aviation users unless they are burdened with just too much money. To get a helo with the performance, (load/range/speed) of a single engine GA plane you're looking at a pushing close to a million. They are fun though.

The R44 does a good job, good speed and range. New ones are in the $400k range.
 
Helicopters are a great tool for certain tasks, but I can't see the utility for general aviation users unless they are burdened with just too much money. To get a helo with the performance, (load/range/speed) of a single engine GA plane you're looking at a pushing close to a million. They are fun though.

did you use GA and utility in the same sentence?:rofl:
 
Sounds like OP needs some time in an aerobatic airplane. They're plenty sensitive and don't drive like "trucks"..
 
Helo's are cool but just too expensive for me. Local school is $250/hr for R22

The cub is pretty good for low and slow. It can even hover if you have some wind aloft.
 
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Helicopters are a great tool for certain tasks, but I can't see the utility for general aviation users unless they are burdened with just too much money. To get a helo with the performance, (load/range/speed) of a single engine GA plane you're looking at a pushing close to a million. They are fun though.

Helicopters are to planes as planes are to cars.

Helicopters are good for certain things, but most of the time you could have gotten it done cheaper by doing it in a plane.

Planes are good for certain things, but most of the time you could of gotten in done cheaper by driving your car.

.... the reason we spend that extra money is for the "certain things".

In helicopters, it could be the ability to land off-airport or at a strip too small for your airplane, it could be fun of the helo's maneuverability, that face that you can legally fly lower than airplanes, the ability so slow down and get a good look at something, the generally good visibility that helicopters have, that fact that helicopters are way cooler.

In airplanes, it could be the speed in which you get to your destination (faster than driving a car), the enjoyment of flying, the desire to make a weekend drive into a day trip without being bothered by the TSA.

Either way. Hardly any of us are operating at peak efficiency, financially. :)
 
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Trying to explain why helicopters are so much fun is like trying to teach someone how to have rhythm. Words just don't exist to fully explain.

I thought life was at its peak when I started driving a car. Then it got better when I discovered motorcycles. Airplanes were a rush I didn't think could be topped. Until my R22 demo flight.

Robinson offers a pilot safety course at their HQ. GO! I just checked and couldn't believe that it's still only $400 for the week, which includes a training flight where you'll learn a few more maneuvers. The instructor I had taught me to auto backward, and when it would be helpful to use. It's the most fun you'll have legally for $400. The classes are informational with some chilling videos. You'll never meet more experienced instructors and they still keep things light-hearted and fun. They also give a tour of the factory and you'll be amazed at how clean it is.

Stay at the Ramada across the street. It's cheap and you can walk to class.

As for the R44, I've only flown one once. It's a LOT more stable than the 22...but for single-pilot flying for fun I just can't justify the extra rental cost over the R22.
 
Sounds like OP needs some time in an aerobatic airplane. They're plenty sensitive and don't drive like "trucks"..
I'd love some time in an aerobatic airplane. The Aerobat, Decathalon, and Citabria, I've flown have all felt pretty stodgy. I've heard the Extra is pretty nimble...one day.
 
I wish the Schweitzer could be operated as cheaply as the R22. It's a far superior trainer.
It's a better aircraft. More robust, less twitchy, higher rotor inertia, and just feels like a real tough aircraft. I still love the R22, but the fact that the 300C hasn't had a history of randomly chopping off its own tail, just feels better.
A transition student might realize a money saving by using the 300C over a R22 by not having to comply with the SFAR.
 
infotango, I may have to PM you for money management advice ... your quote about preferring 1 hour helo to 3 fixed wing - priceless (aka costly)!

Really, why am I wasting my time and money with airplanes when I've always wanted to fly helicopters (and have been at least vaguely dissatisfied fixed wing since my discovery flight)?
If I sold my plane, I might be just barely able to make the transition training...
 
Good luck! Are you training in a R22?
I found the SFAR to be a real PITA. The 20 hour to solo requirement just seems absurd.
It took me somewhere in the 20s to solo even though I was not learning in a Robinson, thus no SFAR. They want you to be able to do an auto pretty reliably before you solo.
 
Helicopters are interestingly fun to fly, but they do have a higher operating cost per hour, mainly due to all the time life parts. They do serve a purpose, but are not everyone's cup of tea.
 
Good luck! Are you training in a R22?
I found the SFAR to be a real PITA. The 20 hour to solo requirement just seems absurd.
I did a demo in a R22 about 50 miles north of my home airport. After thinking hard about it, and reding the SFAR, I found a local (well more local) school using Schweizer 300CBi. I have a little time in the 300C and it seems I might catch some more time in it tomorrow.
Hope the local weather holds.
 
And that's a fairly reasonable price. I've seen much higher.

I travel all the time for my job, and tend to inquire about helicopter rates when I find them. The best I've found is $225/hr (or 207/hr if you run block time) at Chino, CA.

I've got an hour in an R22 and it was very similar, at least from the aspect of flight profile, to what I do in the airship. About 3x as fast, which was nice. If I do it to get the rating, I'm likely going to go the 300CBi route, just to fly something that is more comfortable.
 
I'm partial to the Mi-17! :D

EDIT: Of course it ain't my money. If it was my money, I'd prefer the Schweizer, but Robbies are just EVERYWHERE.
 
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I did a demo in a R22 about 50 miles north of my home airport. After thinking hard about it, and reding the SFAR, I found a local (well more local) school using Schweizer 300CBi. I have a little time in the 300C and it seems I might catch some more time in it tomorrow.
Hope the local weather holds.
I've recently started flying the 300CBi.
It's like the difference between dating Lindsey Lohen on crack, and a nice midwestern girl.
 
It's like the difference between dating Lindsey Lohen on crack, and a nice midwestern girl.

It's worth noting that, in my early dating years, the girls I dated were more like the former.

I married the latter, and am much happier.

Speaking of my wife, her opinion on R22s: "They're cute. Made by Matel, maintained by Toys-R-Us." She was feeling charitable, normally her opinions on R22s are significantly more animated. ;)

I've done a few helicopter discovery flights in a 269A. While it was neat and different in some ways, I'm more the sort who likes to go fast and go somewhere, which are two things that helicopters are inordinately bad at. When I did about a 300-400 nm XC in the 269A and it took longer than driving would have, that proved the point to me. But, if you like low and slow, it is very cool for sure.

As far as the SFARs go, it seems that those have only been issued when a machine shows a particular propensity to kill people, which is usually when a failure occurs. Engine failure on MU-2 comes to mind, and engine failure on the R-22 is no different per my understanding. Note that Frank Robinson himself said the R-22 should never be used as a trainer.
 
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