TFR over El Paso?

Barrett50 said:
Folks, I know that NORAD is part of northcom, knew it before asking my question on the flag at northcom website. They are one part of a defense of the US, CA, Mex and Bahamas. I read all that before asking. So far, no one has given a justification for the Canadian flag there. Why not the Mex flag too, or Bahamas? Northcom is a US command, staffed entirely by US mil. CA contribution is nanoscopic consisting of some ground and maybe some radar sites. Ergo - they get to have their flag rep our armed force command? Not seeing the logic.
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are you sure that no member of the Canadian military is TDY to NORTHCOM?
 
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Bob Noel said:
are you sure that no member of the Canadian military is TDY to NORTHCOM?
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Canada has permanent billets in NORAD at NORTHCOM and I could call some buddies who are still active to find out if there’s still Canadian LNO billets at NORTHCOM.

That’s all besides the point. Barret50 wants an answer to his satisfaction, not the fact that the image he’s referring was taken outside the headquarters building shared by NORAD and NORTHCOM and, with NORAD a bilateral command, there’s an agreement that covers why the maple leaf is there.
 
Barrett50 said:
Folks, I know that NORAD is part of northcom, knew it before asking my question on the flag at northcom website. They are one part of a defense of the US, CA, Mex and Bahamas. I read all that before asking. So far, no one has given a justification for the Canadian flag there. Why not the Mex flag too, or Bahamas? Northcom is a US command, staffed entirely by US mil. CA contribution is nanoscopic consisting of some ground and maybe some radar sites. Ergo - they get to have their flag rep our armed force command? Not seeing the logic.
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I'm not so sure.

 
Barrett50 said:
So, its been centuries since I wore a uniform, and I wanted to know more about this 'northcom' outfit that is protecting US from attack. I did what any blue blood would do and I duckducked them. I got this link, appears to be legit:https://www.northcom.mil/About/US-Northern-Command-Mission-Vision/

The site says its an official US website. Got a couple of US flag ranks. So, why is there a Canadian flag on the splash page? Anyone with an idea on this? I called them in Co Springs and left a vmail. Seems strange to me.
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I do not see a Canadian flag on the link you posted.

Barrett50 said:
I try to avoid quoting, but - huh? Can you clarify some? I see that NORAD is called a bi-national command. But that is one part of northcom, ans Canada is not mentioned anywhere. Our last exercise with them was 2023, almoat 3 years gone.
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NORAD is not part of NORTHCOM.
Barrett50 said:
So, NORAD which is in Co Springs decides to put the Canadian flag on a US mil website? I know what NORAD does. Not much from CA there except a few ground sensors around Baffin and NW Terr.
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And CF-18s on alert.

Barrett50 said:
Folks, I know that NORAD is part of northcom, knew it before asking my question. … So far, no one has given a justification for the Canadian flag there. Why not the Mex flag too, or Bahamas? Northcom is a US command, staffed entirely by US mil. CA contribution is nanoscopic consisting of some ground and maybe some radar sites. Ergo - they get to have their flag rep our armed force command? Not seeing the logic.
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The logic is NORAD is a bilateral command with Canada, not “our command.” Always has been.

NORTHCOM is a US command whose area of responsibility is all of North America (I think; I’ve been out a while too).

Is it possible you got confused thinking you went to the NORTHCOM site when you actually went to the NORAD site?

I’ll concede it is confusing with the same guy being dual-hatted as commander of both.

If you really want to give yourself a headache, try to figure out the chain of command for space or cyber.
 
Van Johnston said:
I do not see a Canadian flag on the link you posted.



NORAD is not part of NORTHCOM.


And CF-18s on alert.


The logic is NORAD is a bilateral command with Canada, not “our command.” Always has been.

NORTHCOM is a US command whose area of responsibility is all of North America (I think; I’ve been out a while too).

Is it possible you got confused thinking you went to the NORTHCOM site when you actually went to the NORAD site?

I’ll concede it is confusing with the same guy being dual-hatted as commander of both.

If you really want to give yourself a headache, try to figure out the chain of command for space or cyber.
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It has been removed. I got a vmail yesterday about 6pm that they were aware of the flag background and were taking steps to address it.

I guess if the pendants here want to split hairs, NORAD is an integrated part of Northcom: " Integrated and aligned with North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD), a bi-national command." "The NORAD-U.S. Northern Command (USNORTHCOM) Command Center serves as a central collection and coordination facility for a worldwide system of sensors designed to provide the commander and the leadership of Canada." How the hats are worn, might be an interesting study in 'too many chiefs'. meh, in my world "part of" is a synonym for "integrated". YMMV
 
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The Pentagon reports more than 1,000 drone incursions per month along the southern border, and more than 27,000 drone detections were recorded within 500 meters of the border in the last six months of 2024.


In one October case, customs officials seized a drone carrying 3.6 pounds of fentanyl pills. While there has never been a confirmed cartel drone attack on U.S. soil, surveillance and smuggling flights occur nearly every day.
 
ElPaso Pilot said:
The NM Desert trapezoid is still in place.

Overflight traffic is occurring, but my Foreflight is showing nearby traffic at 0 knots, while other areas are normal. Not sure if it is just me.
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The TFR is only to 18,000 feet ... the ultras-lights flying out of Mexico at night drop their load in that area with apple tags or phone attached. I stopped flying nights because CBP used to run to the airport and question anyone putting a plane away or pulling one out because of these guys.

For those unaware of our area, White Sands Missle Range (WSMR) is just a few mile north of us and is where the Patriot system gets tested. If DOD wanted to "test" a laser, they'd fly their own drone into WSMR and shoot it down there ... this was a "send a message to the cartel" test and not a "systems test".
 
Zeldman said:
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Maybe we should hire the Ukraine army to teach how to keep folks and drones from sneaking across the southern border illegally...
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Well, when you think about it, they haven't had too much luck stopping folks from coming across the border...a few hundred thousand Russian troops are still on their land.

Drone stuff sounds good, though. We should be buying the anti-drone equipment from them.

Ron Wanttaja
 
Barrett50 said:
The Pentagon reports more than 1,000 drone incursions per month along the southern border, and more than 27,000 drone detections were recorded within 500 meters of the border in the last six months of 2024.


In one October case, customs officials seized a drone carrying 3.6 pounds of fentanyl pills. While there has never been a confirmed cartel drone attack on U.S. soil, surveillance and smuggling flights occur nearly every day.
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I've occasionally wondered why drones weren't being used for this. Always thought it made a lot more sense than tunnels, trucks, etc. Guess I was just behind the times.
 
Barrett50 said:
meh, in my world "part of" is a synonym for "integrated". YMMV
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Understand; fair enough. In my world ‘part of’ implies ‘subordinate to,’ and that is what I was hung up on. I can live with ‘integrated.’

Now back to our regular programming….
 
NORAD CINC is always US DOD, Deputy CINC is always Canadian equivalent. Been this way since it was created.

Useless trivia - one (if not the major) reasons NORAD HQ was moved out of the mountain and down the road to KCOS/Peterson was the CINC had a problem driving up the hill to the front gates in a snow storm. No one plowed the road in a timely fashion.

Or so I've been told.
TCABM said:
It hasn’t been centuries since I wore a uniform. NORTHCOM is one of the 11 combatant commands. CENTCOM and EUCOM are among others. The Commander, NORTHCOM is dual hatted as the commander of NORAD, which is a bi-national (US/Canada) command and has been since inception in 1958
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murphey said:
NORAD CINC is always US DOD, Deputy CINC is always Canadian equivalent. Been this way since it was created.

Useless trivia - one (if not the major) reasons NORAD HQ was moved out of the mountain and down the road to KCOS/Peterson was the CINC had a problem driving up the hill to the front gates in a snow storm. No one plowed the road in a timely fashion.

Or so I've been told.
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Maybe the CINC should have had help from his deputy
 
I've been in NORTHCOM many times. They share a command center with NORAD. Canadian military all over the place. Why would they not have a Canadian flag?

Worst snack bar in DoD, BTW. Horrible coffee. I blame Canada.
 
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Barrett50 said:
It has been removed. I got a vmail yesterday about 6pm that they were aware of the flag background and were taking steps to address it.

I guess if the pendants here want to split hairs, NORAD is an integrated part of Northcom: " Integrated and aligned with North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD), a bi-national command." "The NORAD-U.S. Northern Command (USNORTHCOM) Command Center serves as a central collection and coordination facility for a worldwide system of sensors designed to provide the commander and the leadership of Canada." How the hats are worn, might be an interesting study in 'too many chiefs'. meh, in my world "part of" is a synonym for "integrated". YMMV
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I still see the flag.

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Barrett50 said:
www.yahoo.com

Kristi Noem abruptly ends press conference when asked about CBP shooting down a party balloon forcing airport closure

Federal officials initially claimed a cartel drone infiltrated U.S. airspace in bizarre incident
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"Party balloon" shootdown makes a reappearance in certain media, and expects a response to the ongoing strawman ref.
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I think that if the target had been an actual cartel drone, they would have shown the wreckage at a press conference by now.

Either that or they missed, and don't want to admit it.

Shoot, you'd think they could have sent a GS-9 to the local Hobby Lobby to kluge together something that looked like a shot-down drone.

Ron Wanttaja
 
Barrett50 said:
www.yahoo.com

Kristi Noem abruptly ends press conference when asked about CBP shooting down a party balloon forcing airport closure

Federal officials initially claimed a cartel drone infiltrated U.S. airspace in bizarre incident
www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com

"Party balloon" shootdown makes a reappearance in certain media, and expects a response to the ongoing strawman ref.
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It was an embarrassment and she should take questions about it. It evolved from a threat that caused what was a 10 day closure of airspace to "99 red balloons go by". I'll grant that there should have been some reaction to it, but there didn't appear to be coordination between whatever service that operated the laser and air traffic control.
 
I realize I think a lot different, but I have to consider, why would I give the cartels, or Mexico, or CCP, or - anyone actionable intel about a defense asset? What did the US disclose about that sonic weapon apparently used in Venezuela? In another thread there was commentary about the BS surrounding people who worked in secure, secret, crypto, etc. I dont know what anyone else was told but it was made VERY clear to me, that silence was the only operative reaction. Dont make up a lie, cover story, hint, non-denial-denial, just stfu. Worked for me. YMMV.
 
The SCG can be useful wrt what can be discussed and what cannot be discussed.
 
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